Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed At Rightwing Event In Utah

[Human]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Who gets to draw the line?

And are people expected to accept Kirk's comment about justifying gun deaths to safeguard Second Amendment rights with a "no comment"?

Free speech should work both ways including accepting criticism from the other side as long as comments do not elicit or incite violence.

Note the 'IMO' at the start of my post.

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by Human

Note the 'IMO' at the start of my post.

Pretty much implicit when you're posting on this forum.

[RickeyM]

What I find disgusting, and sadly not surprisingly, was how the Reich-wing immediately went into the blaming mode almost as if it was an orchestrated effort. When the only thing anybody had was a physical description of the suspect it was "radical left this and radical left that" from every Republican speaking in front of an audience or TV camera. I know why they did it and that makes it even more despicable.
I don't agree with anything CK said or stood for but he didn't deserve to be killed for it.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

What I find disgusting, and sadly not surprisingly, was how the Reich-wing immediately went into the blaming mode almost as if it was an orchestrated effort. When the only thing anybody had was a physical description of the suspect it was "radical left this and radical left that" from every Republican speaking in front of an audience or TV camera. I know why they did it and that makes it even more despicable.
I don't agree with anything CK said or stood for but he didn't deserve to be killed for it.

Thanks Ricky, You just indirectly answered the question I posed to Human.

So it is OK for Kirk to have said that upholding the Second amendment is worth a few deaths and after he is killed with a gun, claiming "what happened is what he professed" somehow crosses the line?

The real problem is that liberals like me who believe in what was said do not condone Kirk's killing because no one deserves to be killed for what they believe or said. Just that logic is no longer accepted in civic discourse.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

What I find disgusting, and sadly not surprisingly, was how the Reich-wing immediately went into the blaming mode almost as if it was an orchestrated effort. When the only thing anybody had was a physical description of the suspect it was "radical left this and radical left that" from every Republican speaking in front of an audience or TV camera. I know why they did it and that makes it even more despicable.
I don't agree with anything CK said or stood for but he didn't deserve to be killed for it.

Feel when seeing the reactions like that of his followers.

Is that they knew what was the cause behind the shooting. Much like a loud mouth in a bar saying $hit to the wrong person. When he is punched and lights out...by that wrong person, who is wrong for going there BTW. When conscious again will be sounding a lot like these followers...... Who me .... what did I do? I was just being funny can't they take a joke....

[Human]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Thanks Ricky, You just indirectly answered the question I posed to Human.

So it is OK for Kirk to have said that upholding the Second amendment is worth a few deaths and after he is killed with a gun, claiming "what happened is what he professed" somehow crosses the line?

To be clear, the language I objected to was:

‘If you liked what he stood for, then you can’t be upset that he died. He fulfilled his destiny.’

To me, this implies that he had it coming, whether she meant that or not.

[donquixote99]

What I object to is elevating Charlie Kirk to such high sainthood that it becomes a crime to say anything about him or his supporters. Since when is it OK to go around ruining people lives because they hurt your feelings or offend your understanding of the Holy Faith?

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Human

To be clear, the language I objected to was:

‘If you liked what he stood for, then you can’t be upset that he died. He fulfilled his destiny.’

To me, this implies that he had it coming, whether she meant that or not.

Cynical perhaps but factually correct if one interprets Charlie Kirk's exact words in support of the Second amendment.

What would one say to the parents of school children who have been killed in support of the Second Amendment? Repeat what Kirk has said or the usual "thoughts and prayers"?

See this goes both ways and both sides have to accept the right of free speech and not draw arbitrary boundaries. Its not what we like, its what is permitted under the constitution.

[bobabode]

Turns out Erika Kirk forgave her husband's murderer. That's living her creed.
Well done, lady. I hope she brings that to Charlie Kirk's shitty organization going forward.

[bobabode]

Jimmie Kimmel tripled his audience numbers - Six million tuned in ota while fifteen million caught it on YouTube.

W00T!