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The Death Penalty has always been a conundrum for me. One side feels it is wrong to take anyone's life. Then also feel there needs to be punishment and suffering for those who kill others.
So I do believe in a death penalty only do not know if I could ever impose one on another.
As to the manner of the execution, does it matter if the results all end in the death? There is never going be one way with everyone agreeing on being humane. Having to think for years and years of what may or may not happen on death row itself is torture it would seem.
There needs to a punishment attached even retribution vengeance associated with any crime. Also rehabilitation and reform.
Like stated I'm conflicted on what the best way to handle these decisions.
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01-29-2024, 10:33 AM
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Carbon monoxide may be the most humane method in cases where there is no doubt about guilt and the circumstances indicate lack of credible remorse and no likelihood of redemption.
Poor standards of conviction put me in the fence of an irreversible false conviction consequence.
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01-29-2024, 11:20 AM
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Carbon monoxide may be the most humane method in cases where there is no doubt about guilt and the circumstances indicate lack of credible remorse and no likelihood of redemption.
Poor standards of conviction put me in the fence of an irreversible false conviction consequence.
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We have an instinct to want to kill the really dangerous monkeys. But our evolving sense of justice wants to be real sure first. There is, as you note, no way to be sure enough for a thing so consequential and final. We should settle for humane treatment in lifetime symbolic condemnation (that is reversible for cause). Has to be humane enough that there's someone left to rescue if we decide they should be rescued from it.
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01-29-2024, 11:59 AM
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Some people just don't need to be on this plane of existence. My two arguments are one, the death penalty isn't applied evenly and two, if that's the sentence IMO in the cases bad enough to warrant it, do it and be done with it. Making it "humane" only sooths the soul of people who're unsure about it. Stepping down off soapbox now.
A comedian remarked that Jesus must be in prison because so many folks find him when they go there.
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01-29-2024, 03:37 PM
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The dynamic Repugnant Representative BoBo of Colorado has finished 5th in a straw poll from last week. This is where she and five of her fellow candidates proudly raised their arms when asked if they had ever been arrested. Here is a choice comment.
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The X account Republicans Against Trump wrote, “Lauren Boebert finishes 5th in a straw poll at the first GOP primary debate in her new district. She received just 10% of the vote from the Republicans who participated in the survey at the debate.” The account added, “She’s finished.”
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2486724.html
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01-29-2024, 06:15 PM
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Not until she claims voter fraud and goes on a nationwide tour to promote it she isn't.
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01-30-2024, 05:04 PM
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That is not all, Repugnants now say the SCOTUS rulings can be ignored.
Republicans now say it might be okay to ignore the Supreme Court
And the party is setting up this up to ignore the results off the next elections regardless of how the SCOTUS rules. Reade the bolded text above.
So the role of the SCOTUS which is to interpret the constitution is now taken over by the Repugnant Party.
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As I said after Jan 6, 2021. By hook or by crook.
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Arizona Republican Proposes Bill That Would Allow Politicians To Overturn Elections
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The bill in question says “the Legislature, and no other official, shall appoint presidential electors.”
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They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
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01-30-2024, 05:12 PM
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Plus one !!!!!
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01-30-2024, 05:30 PM
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I read the article from the link you posted.
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Be it resolved by the Senate of the State of Arizona, the House of Representatives concurring:
1. That the Legislature shall remain in session during years in which presidential elections are held; and
2. That the Legislature, and no other official, shall appoint presidential electors in accordance with the United States Constitution.
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Item #2 will need to put to a vote to amend the AZ state's constitution and all it takes is 60% of the vote. I am afraid this Trumpfulenza is going to be quite contagious in the Red States. Of course if the SCOTUS objects, they will simply ignore them.
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01-31-2024, 03:35 PM
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Jan 30 (Reuters) - Washington lawyer and Republican operative Jack Burkman is poised to lose his law license after pleading guilty to telecommunications fraud in Ohio...
Burkman, the founder of lobbying firm Burkman & Associates, and his associate, Jacob Wohl, pleaded guilty in October 2022 to telecommunications fraud after using robocalls to intimidate people from voting by mail during the 2020 U.S. presidential election. They were sentenced to two years of probation, fined each $2,500, and work 500 hours of community service.
The U.S. Federal Communications Commissions in June hit Burkman and Wohl with a $5.1 million fine for making more than 1,100 unlawful robocalls in August and September 2020.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/legali...on-2024-01-30/
Why is it that it is always Republicans shrieking about election integrity when virtually all cases of election/voter fraud are Republican, including felony indictments pending against the former President? Oh yeh, I forgot. For them, every accusation is an admission. As Goebbels said, "Always Accuse Your Enemies Of Your Own Sins."
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