Hamas Attack in Israel

[Pio1980]

Why Hamas and Israel reached this moment now — and what comes next https://www.npr.org/2023/10/11/12049...alestinian-war

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by wrat

now that's truly absurd

Post #171, the section of the linked article headlined : Netanyahu embolden Hamas over the years gives a taste of the absurdity.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Post #171, the section of the linked article headlined : Netanyahu embolden Hamas over the years gives a taste of the absurdity.

There is absolutely no question that Bibi has cynically used Hamas to help him characterize all Palestinians, even those on the West Bank, as terrorists in order to discredit any initiatives toward peace and/or a two-state solution. His hardline stance regarding the West Bank and settlements is essential to maintain the far right in his shaky coalition.

In several ways (including his attempted judiciary coup to muck up his criminal prosecution), Bibi has demonstrated that he is far more concerned about his own personal well-being that he is in the well-being of the state of Israel.

[Pio1980]

Beebs is there for the same reason we got four years of maga lardo chaos, even tho he was a popular minority choice here. A representational choice defines the entire group for good or ill. Some choices don't say much for the choosers, as if they cared.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Post #171, the section of the linked article headlined : Netanyahu embolden Hamas over the years gives a taste of the absurdity.

It's the same old same old blame Islamofascist terrorism on the Jews. Just like we blame Jews for "blood libel", the pogroms, "Jewed me down", and all of the other shit where the Jews are blamed for the worldwide discrimination and hate directed at Jews because they're Jews. Good old victim precipitation, perped on Jews.

One thing we know is that the Islamic world considers anybody who is not one of them to be an infidel/heretic...just like the christians do. The dirt is an excuse, the Jews aren't Muslims, thus we got Hamas.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It's the same old same old blame Islamofascist terrorism on the Jews...

Whether you like it or not that Bibi has been complicit in propping up Hamas in order to quash support for a two-state solution, it's undeniably true. Indeed, as many as 80% of Israelis believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu must take responsibility for the security failures exposed by the devastating Oct. 7 assault on Israeli by Hamas.

Your knee jerk defense of all things Israel are rooted in your personal biases and family experience, not reality nor knowledge of facts on the ground. To wit:

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

Much ink has been spilled describing the longtime relationship – rather, alliance – between Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas. And still, the very fact that there has been close cooperation between the Israeli prime minister (with the support of many on the right) and the fundamentalist organization seemingly evaporated from most of the current analyses.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...f-57ff1be90000

Blindness to the danger from Gaza has a longer history, though, and is rooted in a strategic choice that has guided Mr. Netanyahu since his return to power in 2009.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/o...rael-gaza.html

During his earlier term as Prime Minister, Netanyahu followed a consistent policy of allowing Hamas to flourish, and consequently to develop from a relatively weak terrorist organization to a force capable of killing more than 1200 Israelis in a single day.

https://www.politybooks.com/blog-det...anyahus-design

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Whether you like it or not that Bibi has been complicit in propping up Hamas in order to quash support for a two-state solution, it's undeniably true. Indeed, as many as 80% of Israelis believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu must take responsibility for the security failures exposed by the devastating Oct. 7 assault on Israeli by Hamas.

Your knee jerk defense of all things Israel are rooted in your personal biases and family experience, not reality nor knowledge of facts on the ground. To wit:

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

Much ink has been spilled describing the longtime relationship – rather, alliance – between Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas. And still, the very fact that there has been close cooperation between the Israeli prime minister (with the support of many on the right) and the fundamentalist organization seemingly evaporated from most of the current analyses.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...f-57ff1be90000

Blindness to the danger from Gaza has a longer history, though, and is rooted in a strategic choice that has guided Mr. Netanyahu since his return to power in 2009.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/o...rael-gaza.html

During his earlier term as Prime Minister, Netanyahu followed a consistent policy of allowing Hamas to flourish, and consequently to develop from a relatively weak terrorist organization to a force capable of killing more than 1200 Israelis in a single day.

https://www.politybooks.com/blog-det...anyahus-design

Opinions are like assholes. We all got one. New York Times got one. Haaretz got one. Times Of Israel got one. Reuters/most Israelis got one.

[Oerets]

In order to obtain if not peace but maybe a understanding leading to cessation of hostilities. Then onto a building of and trusting of each other.

Both sides, BOTH will need to practice give and take. This on going subjugation expansion wanton violence is now in a self feeding loop. That needs to be broken.

There is a large segment of the world who feels right in there assessment of Israel Ult Fundamentalist as an aggressor along with Hamas. Seeing until some give and take serious in nature. Pain for both sides continue no concrete results are possible.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Opinions are like assholes. We all got one. New York Times got one. Haaretz got one. Times Of Israel got one. Reuters/most Israelis got one.

It seems you're conflicted as to whether or not you like Bibi and his policies. His past policies vis-a-vis Hamas are not in dispute, however.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Opinions are like assholes. We all got one. New York Times got one. Haaretz got one. Times Of Israel got one. Reuters/most Israelis got one.

Is one opinion as bad as another then?