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[Rajoo]

Here Biden speaks the truth.

"If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him," Biden said to applause. "I shouldn't have said that, but then I was told that's just locker room talk. Well, I've been in a lot of locker rooms my whole life, I'm a pretty damn good athlete. Any guy who talked that way was usually the fattest, ugliest S.O.B. in the room. For real!"

And the Real trump was left fuming, the fattest, ugliest S.O.B. in the room.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...y-weak-n858981

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by whell

The left has coopted the word "authoritarian" and found a great way to misapply it to the right, and in particular Trump. This article you posted describes its genesis, and of course, in this forum and other lefty circles, the use of the word multiplied faster than rabbits.

Your article describes how aggressive election-year rhetoric may have appealed to some fraction of 1800 or so registered voters. You and others then spun this into a narrative that Republicans are fascists.

Congratulations. I hope you're proud of your accomplishments.

That's because many Repubs are fascists. They even have a Fascist Leader, former president Trump.

You would have to be completely divorced from reality not to see that.

[finnbow]

Months after fully severing ties with CPAC, Fox News appears to have distanced itself from another major conservative powerhouse: Turning Point USA.

In years past, the cable network maintained a close, nearly symbiotic relationship with the Charlie Kirk-led MAGA student group, with Fox News stars regularly appearing at TPUSA events and Fox Nation livestreaming the entirety of the org’s Student Action Summit and Americafest events, including an All Access Live broadcast in 2021 hosted by Fox stars Kayleigh McEnany and Pete Hegseth.

However, as Kirk unveils his big 2023 confab for this upcoming weekend, Fox News is notably absent from the speakers roster, has done no advance hyping of the event, and will not be live-streaming it.

“Fox’s relationship with Turning Point is basically over,” a Fox News insider told Confider. “They don’t want their talent associated with them anymore.” ...

So what’s behind the network apparently ghosting Turning Point? Semafor reported last week that the network is wary about letting its stars appear at conservative events with known election deniers and conspiracy theorists in the wake of Fox’s massive $787.5-million settlement with Dominion. For example, Fox has discouraged Pirro, who was prominently named in the Dominion lawsuit, from speaking at a TPUSA event and a church service to promote her latest book.

Further suggesting a link between Dominion and Fox’s break-up with TPUSA is the fact that ActCon 2023’s keynote speaker is Donald Trump, whose election lies directly led to Fox’s Dominion mess.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-ne...ning-point-usa

Trouble in paradise? LOL.

[donquixote99]

Also trouble, Heather Cox Rishardson reported this morning that the 'Koch Institutions' (Americns For Prosperity, etc) are coming out against Trump. Given their name, they ought to be coming out for Biden, but the world is not exactly turning upside down today.

[Rajoo]

Trump just joked about being president for life — for the 6th time
And that in my book makes him anti-democratic and a Fascist, especially when he associates himself with the alt right wing militias. And in Trump's case when he says he is joking, he is usually telling the truth.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/85209...life--6th-time

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

There are plenty of respected political scientists and researchers who agree with my assessment of Trump. Indeed, I'm not sure how you can, in good faith, deny what is obvious to a lot of experienced historians and researchers.

Quite purposefully missing the point of my post? And you have the nuts to accuse me of "bad faith"?

I don't care about your "assessment" of Trump or anyone else. I care about the current crop of leftists now label anyone they disagree with a "fascist". As if you need examples:

Originally Posted by Mark B

That's because many Repubs are fascists.

Originally Posted by Oerets

It is hard to break thru to one when in a fascist cult.....

And I'm sure most of the folks who spout this claptrap really believe it.

Are there Dems who espouse socializm? Sure. Do all Dems espouse socializm? No.

Are "most", "many" or "all on the political right "fascist"? You tell me, cuz I'd like see the response.

And as far as Umberto E's list and "his movement checking all the boxes", the only movement that your post reminds me of is the one that bulls leave behind.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Also trouble, Heather Cox Rishardson reported this morning that the 'Koch Institutions' (Americns For Prosperity, etc) are coming out against Trump. Given their name, they ought to be coming out for Biden, but the world is not exactly turning upside down today.

Are you suggesting that there are Koch heads in the White House?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Quite purposefully missing the point of my post? And you have the nuts to accuse me of "bad faith"?

I don't care about your "assessment" of Trump or anyone else...
And as far as Umberto E's list and "his movement checking all the boxes", the only movement that your post reminds me of is the one that bulls leave behind.

Yet another one of your "Don't confuse me with the facts" posts. These are some of the most esteemed historians and political scientists on the planet in the field of fascism and authoritarianism.

I care about the current crop of leftists now label anyone they disagree with a "fascist". As if you need examples:

And I'm sure most of the folks who spout this claptrap really believe it.

Are there Dems who espouse socializm? Sure. Do all Dems espouse socializm? No.

Are "most", "many" or "all on the political right "fascist"? You tell me, cuz I'd like see the response.

Per the Oxford English Language Dictionary, Soci@lism is defined as "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

By this definition, even the furthest left of Democrats (e.g., Bernie, AOC) are not soci@lists nor advocates of soci@lism. Indeed, by European standards, they would both be conservatives (conservatives there support universal healthcare and meaningful gun control, for example). Everything is relative. To American MAGA acolytes, anything to the left of their particular brand of protofascism is soci@lism. That doesn't, however, make it so.

As for the question of "are all on the political right fascist?" I most certainly have not said that. Folks like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Asa Hutchinson, Larry Hogan and Mitch McConnell are not fascist. OTOH, given Trump's obvious fascist proclivities, those who still support and defend him are either fascist, protofascist (Biden's "semi-fascist" moniker) or at least fascism-tolerant. If I had to attach a label to you, it would be the latter.

As to Joe Biden's quote he said:

"What we’re seeing now is the beginning or the death knell of an extreme MAGA philosophy. It’s not just Trump, it’s the entire philosophy that underpins the — I’m going to say something, it’s like semi-fascism."

Later, at a national Democratic Party event before a few thousand people packed into a nearby high school gym, Biden added: “I respect conservative Republicans. I don’t respect these MAGA Republicans."

Are you really ready to argue that extreme elements of the MAGA movement aren't at least semi-fascist? If so, you really need to study up a bit more on political science and history and eschew the wingnut news sources that obviously color your thinking. Meanwhile, you don't take issue with Trump calling democrats fascists. That is far more counterfactual than Biden calling extreme MAGAts "semi-fascist" (which happens to be objectively true, if uncomfortable to people like you).

PS - Did you see Tommy Tuberville defending white nationalism yesterday?

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by whell

It's one thing for a TV talking head to say it. It's quite another when the president uses the "bully pulpit" to call his political opponents fascists.

I fully understand why when Biden singled out the fascists and extreme MAGA Republicans of the party you felt some kinda' way.

Joe Biden
Later, at a national Democratic Party event before a few thousand people packed into a nearby high school gym, Biden added: “I respect conservative Republicans. I don’t respect these MAGA Republicans."

Spoiler alert sparky: neither do most Americans.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Gotta wonder about his motivation for posting such nonsense. He either:

• Believes it's true because wingnut media has poisoned his brain.
  
• Knows it's false, but is trying to convince himself (or us) that Trump isn't any worse than any other politician and therefore he is not irrational for still supporting (or having had supported) him despite his minor (and ubiquitous among politicians) flaws.
  
• He doesn't know or care whether it's true or false, but reflexively defends Trump against all antagonists (Democrats, Independents, RINO's, the press, law enforcement and the judiciary) simply because he voted for him and can't admit to himself that he was conned by the world's most obvious con-man.

In any event, there's a load of bad faith wrapped up in most of his arguments.

I stopped wondering why once evidence presented showed the why, IMO, included elements of all three.