Hunter Biden Lock Him Up!!!!!

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

'This guy is not a whistleblower': Expert blasts GOP's source in Hunter Biden investigation as 'complainer'
https://www.rawstory.com/amp/hunter-...661-2661990661

Nothing but your typical Whell’s World Whiner.

From your article:

"It's very implausible, for starters," Litman said of the Shapley accusations. "I'm a whistleblower lawyer. This guy is not a whistle-blower. A whistleblower goes within the agency, follows the procedures, and says something wrong has happened. This guy is just a complainer with maybe a political ax to grind or maybe just a professional —"

Host Andrea Mitchell cut him off to explain that the only reason he was called a whistleblower was that the House Oversight Committee called him one.

"All I'm saying is a whistle-blower means someone who reports malfeasance in the agency, goes through all the processes and is rebuffed," said Litman.

If Mr. Litman had bothered to read the record of Shapley's testimony, it includes a letter from his attorney that states that Shapley has already elevated the matter internally.

I know folks like you aren't terribly interested in the facts, but you can see the letter referenced above on page 33 here:

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-co...t_Redacted.pdf

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

I actually agree with your assertion, but your assertion is just a deflection from the central point: there appears to be a disparity of treatment of certain types of cases within the Justice Dept and FBI.

Any difference we are seeing in the actions of the DOJ is due to one thing only. Trump is a criminal.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

We were talking about Shapley, and you elected to make the comparison to the "other" whistleblowers. But, if you want to claim you weren't making the comparison to Shapley, fine. I'm sure, however, that you saw my request to post your evidence about the "pending personnel actions". I find it interesting that you'd know about these since pending personnel actions are typically confidential matters.

As far as "demonstrated dishonestly", someone who utters something you or others on this forum disagree with is labeled a liar.

Here's a litany of shit about other Comer/Jordan "whistleblowers:" I forgot to add that they received money and a job from Kash Patel, a Trump stooge.

https://congressionalintegrity.org/j...an-as-a-fraud/

This exposes the "whistleblowers" to be wingnut conspiracy theorists paid off by Trump's people. Of them, one was indeed in the midst of an adverse personnel action. If you watched their hearing, you'd realize that they were full of shit. Their presence shattered both their own credibility and that of Gym Jordan (not that he had any) who chose to use them knowing their backgrounds.

I stand by my remark earlier, which you seem to want to avoid, that at this point Shapley has more credibility than you and yours, given that elements of this testimony have been independently confirmed.

Suit yourself. I will remain skeptical of anyone who voluntarily chooses to be involved in any way with unprincipled, dishonest MAGA lapdogs like Comer and Jordan.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Here's a litany of shit about other Comer/Jordan "whistleblowers:" I forgot to add that they received money and a job from Kash Patel, a Trump stooge.

https://congressionalintegrity.org/j...an-as-a-fraud/

Maybe I should have made myself more clear: Do you have evidence from a credible, unbiased source - or at least a source with less left-wing bias - that the one you posted? The Congressional Integrity bunch might even be to the left of some of the folks on this forum, which is pretty hard to do.

The citations in the article you posted suggest that the folks who have testified "don't meet the definition of whistleblower", which is debatable and which in the grand scheme of things may not matter since they testified under oath and, at least so far, their testimony has not been demonstrated as factually incorrect. Also, the Congressional Integrity bunch, much like some of you guys, wants to discredit these folks because they might have opinions which differ from those exposed on the left.

Sorry, not convinced, and I don't see any legit mention of the "pending personnel actions" that you indicated.

[whell]

Throw Hunter Biden’s Plea Deal in the Trash

The Justice Department’s alleged foot-dragging and refusal to permit IRS special agents to follow the evidence allowed the statutes of limitations for 2014 and 2015 to expire, notwithstanding that Mr. Biden’s defense counsel had, according to Mr. Shapley, agreed to more than one extension. Far worse, Mr. Garland’s failure to designate Mr. Weiss a special counsel essentially guaranteed that Mr. Biden wouldn’t be prosecuted for any of his alleged tax crimes.

The “criminal information”—the charging document in the absence of an indictment—prepared by Mr. Weiss’s office, to which Hunter Biden will reportedly plead on July 26, states that Mr. Biden received but didn’t pay federal taxes on “taxable income in excess of $1,500,000.00” in 2017 and in 2018. House Oversight Committee Republicans claim to have seen Treasury Department suspicious-activity reports suggesting that Mr. Biden received vastly more than that during the years the IRS was investigating.

Judges can reject plea agreements. That would be an appropriate disposition here. And Congress, in fulfillment of its oversight obligation, must learn and share with the American public what evidence the IRS gathered, what evidence its agents weren’t permitted to obtain, and what charges might have been brought if they had.

Ms. O’Connor, a Washington lawyer, headed the U.S. Justice Department’s tax division, 2001-07.

One item of interest in this article:

After taking possession of the (Hunter Biden) devices in December 2019, FBI agents notified the IRS that they likely contained evidence of tax crimes. Notwithstanding this notification and that the FBI had legitimate possession of the devices and unfettered access to their contents, Mr. Shapley’s testimony describes how prosecutors never permitted the IRS special agents to examine them.

So if this is correct, Finn, it undercuts your comments about how the DOJ may have declined to pursue charges due to a lack of actionable evidence. It appears that the FBI may have actually alerted the IRS of potential tax crimes, and then interfered with the IRS investigation by, among other things, refusing to share the evidence.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Sorry, not convinced, and I don't see any legit mention of the "pending personnel actions" that you indicated.

The link I provided provided linked footnotes to the sources for all of the questionable behavior by the "whistleblowers."

Steve Friend, a former FBI agent working out of Florida, was suspended in August 2022 for objecting to using a SWAT team to arrest a subject for what Friend described as “misdemeanor offenses.”

The men arrested on the date Friend listed in his disclosures were members of a Florida-based organization known as the “Guardians of Freedom,” which adheres to the ideology of the “Three Percenters” and were illegally at the Capitol on January 6, according to the FBI.

The one individual charged with a misdemeanor of that group from Florida was at the Capitol on January 6 wearing a black gas mask, a tactical vest and a military-type helmet and goggles, according to court documents reviewed by CNN. One witness interviewed for the case claimed that the defendant had an AR-style rifle with him as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/polit...ion/index.html

BTW, all of IRS whistleblower allegations of interference were during the Trump administration except the one where he said that Weiss said he did not have the final say (something contradicted in writing by Weiss and in person by Garland).

I'm still baffled about your objections to this in that your Dear Leader recently promised to weaponize DOJ if he wins in a effort to impose retribution upon his political enemies, not to mention how he weaponized his own DOJ during his first term. Here are the Cheeto Benito's words:

"... I WILL APPOINT A REAL SPECIAL “PROSECUTOR” TO GO AFTER THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA, JOE BIDEN, THE ENTIRE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY, & ALL OTHERS INVOLVED WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ELECTIONS, BORDERS, & COUNTRY ITSELF!"

[finnbow]

Fox News’ Steve Doocy on GOP Biden investigation: “Make it easy for us. What was the crime?”
House Oversight Chair James Comer: “Well the crime is that — trading policy for money.”
Doocy: “Which policy?”
Comer: “We’re gonna get into that.”

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...09824052736003

It's quite clear that Comer’s strategy is just to keep talking about made up stuff as if it’s real. He only wants headlines and the substance and truth of the allegations don't matter. What matters is keeping this false narrative going as long as possible in order to distract/deflect from Trump's rampant criminality. I gotta say it's working on Whell.

[Rajoo]

^^Perhaps preparing the MAGA world for the next set of indictments handed to Trump soon. Getting Rudy Giuliani to talk to Special Counsel is quite ominous, he was at the center of the Stop the Steal movement and organizing fake electors.

So Comer and his Freedumb gang is on the hunt for a crime to charge the Biden's with and its not working, especially if he got a pushback from Faux.

Let's see, so far a censure of Adam Schiff for doing his job which he is taking as a badge of honor.

Two MAGA groupies armed with resolutions to impeach Joe Biden, McCarthy himself ran interference on these.

Hunter Biden, well that case is settled.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Steve Friend, a former FBI agent working out of Florida, was suspended in August 2022 for objecting to using a SWAT team to arrest a subject for what Friend described as “misdemeanor offenses.”

The men arrested on the date Friend listed in his disclosures were members of a Florida-based organization known as the “Guardians of Freedom,” which adheres to the ideology of the “Three Percenters” and were illegally at the Capitol on January 6, according to the FBI.

The one individual charged with a misdemeanor of that group from Florida was at the Capitol on January 6 wearing a black gas mask, a tactical vest and a military-type helmet and goggles, according to court documents reviewed by CNN. One witness interviewed for the case claimed that the defendant had an AR-style rifle with him as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/polit...ion/index.html

If you read his testimony, he states he was suspended AFTER his disclosures as a whistleblower, not before. This is consistent with claims of retaliation from other whistleblowers in this case, including Shapley. These are "claims" of retaliation, and at least in Shapley's case, his counsel has stated his client will disclose details of the retaliation claim in due course. We'll see.

Originally Posted by finnbow

BTW, all of IRS whistleblower allegations of interference were during the Trump administration except the one where he said that Weiss said he did not have the final say (something contradicted in writing by Weiss and in person by Garland).

I addressed this in post 97 in this thread. Someone is lying, either Garland (and Weiss) or Shapley. Shapley states that there were other folks in the meeting that heard Weiss make the same comment about now having the final say in getting cases tried in their appropriate jurisdictions, and this story was recently confirmed by the NT Times. Nothing's been "proven" here, but I think Garland or Weiss owes us an explanation of why Weiss couldn't get his peers in other jurisdictions to try these cases when Garland stated Weiss would have cooperation from his peers in other locations.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'm still baffled about your objections to this in that your Dear Leader recently promised to weaponize DOJ if he wins in a effort to impose retribution upon his political enemies, not to mention how he weaponized his own DOJ during his first term. Here are the Cheeto Benito's words:

"... I WILL APPOINT A REAL SPECIAL “PROSECUTOR” TO GO AFTER THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA, JOE BIDEN, THE ENTIRE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY, & ALL OTHERS INVOLVED WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ELECTIONS, BORDERS, & COUNTRY ITSELF!"

Looks like "whataboutism" to me. You can't really complain about others doing it if you're going to engage in it.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Looks like "whataboutism" to me. You can't really complain about others doing it if you're going to engage in it.

Not exactly. MAGAMorons such as you whine incessantly about perceived DOJ weaponization and a two-tiered justice system, but were silent (or cheering along) when Trump's DOJ under Barr routinely weaponized the DOJ (e.g., whitewashing the Mueller Report, intervening on behalf of Roger Stone, the Durham investigation taking two guys innocent guys to court not because of their crimes but Barr's wish to "get the story out" and Jeff Clark participating in the fake elector scheme and attempting to force Georgia to say that election fraud occurred there). And now Trump promises that he'll make it even worse (he even has spoken of making Jeff Clark his next AG).

Now just imagine the squealing by Trump (or overt interference by a President Trump) if DJT Jr. were prosecuted for gun, drug and tax infractions (all highly possible for a scumbag who is at least Hunter Biden's equal) as opposed to Biden's silence and non-interference in the prosecution of his son. If you're unable to recognize this whole Hunter Biden brouhaha as anything other than the GOP trying to convince you that Biden is as bad or worse than Trump, you truly reside in a universe of alternative facts.

In summary, it's hardly whataboutism if the allegations you believe in are unproven (and disputed by the Trump-appointed prosecutor) and championed by bad-faith actors (Jordan, Comer) as opposed to actual known instances of flagrant DOJ "weaponization" by Trump and his DOJ.