Governor Whitmer Kidnapping Plot

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The following is drawn from the U.S. Justice Department's page on Entrapment. This defense would have to be developed from detailed evidence at trial; it cannot be assumed from a newspaper-level outline of a sting case.

There are two elements to an entrapment defense:
1) The government induces the crime
2) The defendent lacked predisposition to commit the crime

Lack of either element is fatal to an entrapment defense.

To show inducement, the defense must show more that government artifice or deceit. They must show:
* at least persuasion or mild coercion
* OR, pleas based on need, sympathy, or friendship
* OR, extraordinary promises
Inducement shown only if government's behavior was such that "a law-abiding citizen's will to obey the law could have been overborne."

"The predisposition inquiry focuses upon whether the defendant "was an unwary innocent or, instead, an unwary criminal who readily availed himself of the opportunity to perpetrate the crime."

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/...pment-elements

Very informative. Most likely the Whitmer conspirators will be found guilty.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Very informative. Most likely the Whitmer conspirators will be found guilty.

What I notice is that the government can induce all they want, if they are sure they can show the defendant is predisposed. Still won't be entrapment. Good reason not to shoot your mouth off, on social media, about how criminal acts would be a good idea....

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

What I notice is that the government can induce all they want, if they are sure they can show the defendant is predisposed. Still won't be entrapment. Good reason not to shoot your mouth off, on social media, about how criminal acts would be a good idea....

I get it.

The legal definition of 'the entrapped' is not someone who's caught in a trap. It's someone that had to be released from the trap.

Is there a term for someone who is rightfully 'stung' by a sting operation ?

Besides 'criminal' I mean. 'Chump', maybe ? 'Currently deceased', in the case of the hospital bomber wannabe.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

I get it.

The legal definition of 'the entrapped' is not someone who's caught in a trap. It's someone that had to released from the trap.

Is there a term for someone who is rightfully 'stung' by a sting operation ?

Besides 'criminal' I mean. 'Chump', maybe ? 'Currently deceased', in the case of the hospital bomber wannabe.

Part I bolded is, I think, an excellent insight.

[BigElCat]

Sorry I saw it from the media headlines. Here's the outcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAXXPKivIaM