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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

It's actually a very valid slippery slope argument.

There is no such thing as a valid slippery slope argument.

Here a definition of it, as a fallacy, on a university philosophy department site. You know, that bastion of elite liberalism, Texas State: https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/r...ery-Slope.html

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

There is no such thing as a valid slippery slope argument.

Here a definition of it, as a fallacy, on a university philosophy department site. You know, that bastion of elite liberalism, Texas State: https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/r...ery-Slope.html

From your link: "In a slippery slope argument, a course of action is rejected because, with little or no evidence, one insists that it will lead to a chain reaction resulting in an undesirable end or ends."

So here is what that means to me: We should not have called the list a slippery slope argument because it contains actual evidence in the line items themselves that have actually happened.

This whole thing is about questioning authority and its motives. I swear, kids today don't even understand what the words, "question authority" even mean. Scott Adams explains why you stop believing everything you hear in the press as you age and acquire experience in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac8OOeaIgFo&t=706s

It's long so I suppose most won't watch it. But it covers it. BTW, the title is "How to Fail at Almost Everything".

And on a side note, these Hoover Institute interviews with Peter Robinson are usually really good.

And try to watch more George Carlin routines.

[Waggs098]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

From your link: "In a slippery slope argument, a course of action is rejected because, with little or no evidence, one insists that it will lead to a chain reaction resulting in an undesirable end or ends."

So here is what that means to me: We should not have called the list a slippery slope argument because it contains actual evidence in the line items themselves that have actually happened.

This whole thing is about questioning authority and its motives. I swear, kids today don't even understand what the words, "question authority" even mean. Scott Adams explains why you stop believing everything you hear in the press as you age and acquire experience in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac8OOeaIgFo&t=706s

It's long so I suppose most won't watch it. But it covers it. BTW, the title is "How to Fail at Almost Everything".

And on a side note, these Hoover Institute interviews with Peter Robinson are usually really good.

And try to watch more George Carlin routines.

I have always told my kids to "think for yourself, question authority".

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

And try to watch more George Carlin routines.

Funny you should mention him of all people. This one stands out.

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you’d expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would’ve been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say “this guy”, because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he’s at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn’t give a shit. Doesn’t give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results."

Credit to:
George Carlin~Religion is Bullshit

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by mpholland

Funny you should mention him of all people. This one stands out.

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you’d expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would’ve been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say “this guy”, because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he’s at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn’t give a shit. Doesn’t give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results."

Credit to:
George Carlin~Religion is Bullshit

Lovely stuff. These is a serious argument in there, of course, against the usual god, the all knowing, all powerful creator guy.....

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by mpholland

Funny you should mention him of all people. This one stands out.

"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is fucked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you’d expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would’ve been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say “this guy”, because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he’s at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn’t give a shit. Doesn’t give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results."

Credit to:
George Carlin~Religion is Bullshit

I completely agree with him on man-made religion. However, when it comes to his comments on ANY supreme being, he is speaking from a position of ignorance. He might as well be my dog saying i'm stupid because it makes no sense that I would leave the house five days a week and not be with him. But then, my dog doesn't understand the concept of a mortgage or an electric bill. And that's ok. It's not his job.

So yes, when Carlin zings man made religion and made up gods, I'm right there with him. I've seen that routine and laughed out loud at some of it.

But when he points his finger at our creator, it's less funny. Sure, he's just poking fun at the imaginary gods made up by so many men, but he has zero concept of the actual creator of mankind. Really, none of us do. But I do know this: He's not some guy sitting up in the sky.

And if one is concerned about all the bad stuff going on, they should read C. S. Lewis' book, The Problem of Pain. It's over fifty years old but covers the subject very well. It was written as he watched his wife die.