Monuments and Myths

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Wrecking the USA? Poppycock. What a ridiculous over-reaction to believe that.

Read the Mona Charon piece I linked to in other thread, and tell me who is actually doing previous harm to the USA. Hint--he was elected with a minority of the votes.

Hey, still have the link in the buffer, so here you go:

https://thebulwark.com/trump-the-bar...mpression=true

I just read that article for this simple reason: I used to be a big fan of Charon. But that was when I was a Republican. After reading that article, I now see her as just another mouthpiece of the uniparty, AKA, Deep state.

And it hit me with this paragraph:

He has violated campaign finance laws by paying off a porn star, flouted legal subpoenas from Congress and other duly constituted authorities looking into administration actions, abused Article II power by dangling pardons to former associates facing criminal trials, encouraged border officials to keep asylum seekers out in violation of law (again promising a pardon), unlawfully diverted Defense Department funds to begin building a border wall, wrongly fired numerous inspectors general, and encouraged police to rough up arrestees—among uncountable other violations. He has attempted to strong-arm an ally to invent lies about his domestic opposition, and begged for other foreign leaders to help his election prospects. His attorney general is diligently attempting to reward his friends and punish his (perceived) enemies—exactly what happens in corrupt dictatorships.

I'm not even going to argue her points other than to put it this way: Everything she said is true - from an enemies perspective. It would be fun to hear Laura Ingraham or Gutfield attack each point, one by one. I can do it easily but I'm sure they would do a much better job.

But my point is this: As a republican I liked Charon. As a conservative independent, my eyes are opened. She is a member of the Uniparty and Tump is their enemy, even when they may "appear" to be on his side, as Graham has sometimes done. She has been outed by Trump, and that article exposed it to me.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

There are no German Nazi memorials or monuments to their lost cause, nor to the architects, generals, statesmen or soldiers that promoted and defended German nazism.
A vast difference to memorials for the victims, for whom the immeasurably costly lessons should not be minimalized or forgotten.
And yet, many folks are determined to ignore them with a return to authoritarian nationalism backed by the plutocracy, the very definition of fascism.

I was referring to the concentration camps.

There's at least two of them that are tourist attractions.

I'm not suggesting the Jewish Holocaust be minimized, or denied.

I'm saying the Confederate history shouldn't be minimized, or denied.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

I was referring to the concentration camps.

There's at least two of them that are tourist attractions.

I'm not suggesting the Jewish Holocaust be minimized, or denied.

I'm saying the Confederate history shouldn't be minimized, or denied.

Neither am I, far from it, it shouldn't be denied or minimalized, but neither
should it be celebrated as something somehow noble at any level.
Advocates of this country as a bastion of European heritage white supremacy obviously feel otherwise.

[BigElCat]

This one is not coming down today...Christopher Columbus

https://www.yahoo.com/news/skirmishe...090000726.html

[Not Insane]

Step one: Stop the mob.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Step one: Stop the mob.

Constitution be damned, eh?

[Oerets]

Wealth and power.
Both came from slavery. Neither would of happened without.
Wanting to keep wealth and power meant keeping slavery. As you stated the power and wealth was a direct result of slavery.
So it still remains slavery was the root cause.

As to the majority of white folk not wanting the former slaves as equals. It was address by the 14th Amendment, it kinda did this in 1968. Just was never fully implemented.

Going back to the end of the CW Lincoln plan and General Sherman implemented the 40 aches and a mule. To be funded by the property of former slaver owners. Reversed by Johnson within months.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Wealth and power.
Both came from slavery. Neither would of happened without.

Some wealth and power came from slavery. For millennia.

But not all. Most came from cheap labor or outright theft.

But a lot came from good old hard work and inventiveness.

[bobabode]

Maybe Gen. Sherman should've been allowed to scourge South Carolina after scourging Georgia. Much like Gen. Patton being held back at the Elbe, we missed an opportunity to pull it up, root and branch.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Maybe Gen. Sherman should've been allowed to scourge South Carolina after scourging Georgia. Much like Gen. Patton being held back at the Elbe, we missed an opportunity to pull it up, root and branch.

Nah.

Lee should've flanked the Yankees at Gettysburg, on both ends. Set up shop in DC.

Then given his slaves 40 acres and a mule.