The Rise and Fall of Obamacare

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

While people do indeed express dissatisfaction with Obamacare, people also overwhelmingly support most of its key features.

You're making quite a stretch when you say "overwhelmingly support most of its key features.".

All you can get from the poll that ICE linked to is "support for some of it's features".

Hell, I even support some of it. like the pre-existing conditions part, the elimination of lifetime caps on payouts and keeping your kids on till 26, and I hate the law. Ice is trying to imply that everyone outside of the 26% that want the entire thing repealed like the law, and that is just not true. Only 19% say keep it as is. That means 81% want it either changed or scraped.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

You're making quite a stretch when you say "overwhelmingly support most of its key features.".

All you can get from the poll that ICE linked to is "support for some of it's features".

Hell, I even support some of it. like the pre-existing conditions part, the elimination of lifetime caps on payouts and keeping your kids on till 26, and I hate the law. Ice is trying to imply that everyone outside of the 26% that want the entire thing repealed like the law, and that is just not true. Only 19% say keep it as is. That means 81% want it either changed or scraped.

I believe that, but they want the changed scheme to include a number of key Obamacare provisions, including those you mentioned.

[Oerets]

The people of this country want others to pay for their healthcare. In a nut shell, whether it is the company supplied insurance or a supplied government program. All feel theirs is to high when compared to others.

Look no further then,

When will our elected officials are never held accountable for supplying for themselves great healthcare while all the time the rest of us suffer?

It all goes to optics, Two see a person with great healthcare. One say's "I don't, so they should not" Where the others says, "they have, and why don't I"

The narrative needs a new tact, to go for "why don't I"....

Barney

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I believe that, but they want the changed scheme to include a number of key Obamacare provisions, including those you mentioned.

Yes and those key things that people want to retain cannot be retained without the individual mandate staying in place. You cannot keep the law unless you improve upon it. The parts people hate because of whatever reason cannot be removed since it would destroy all good things people like, such as the rule against denying insurance to people with illnesses.

It is just laughable that the OP thinks there is a big revolution that is going to bring about single payer, which like the ACA will have to be paid for in some manner. And it shows a deranged mind that would wish sick people be thrown off of insurance during some sort of
insurance-less purgatory period before the second (make that first) coming of single-payer.

If they ditch ACA America will be like it was before with millions not covered. But worse off.

From what I can see it looks like Trump is picking a right-wing cabinet with some pretty reactionary members. I don't see any populists going to the West Wing.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by icenine

So you don't care about the Americans not getting insurance from their employers?

Who pays for your health insurance?

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Who pays for your health insurance?

The taxpayer pays for most of mine.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Who pays for your health insurance?

Ice is retired military.

He gets his virtually for free.

I think my oldest son who just retired from the Army said he was going to have to pay something like $450 a year, that's a year, not a month, for full family coverage under Tricare.

Equivalent coverage on the private market would cost at least $15,000-$20,000 a year.

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator...entTimeframe=0

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The people of this country want others to pay for their healthcare. In a nut shell, whether it is the company supplied insurance or a supplied government program. All feel theirs is to high when compared to others.

Look no further then,

When will our elected officials are never held accountable for supplying for themselves great healthcare while all the time the rest of us suffer?

It all goes to optics, Two see a person with great healthcare. One say's "I don't, so they should not" Where the others says, "they have, and why don't I"

The narrative needs a new tact, to go for "why don't I"....

Barney

As Dostoevsky wrote "a crust of bread always looks larger in another man's hands."

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Ice is retired military.

He gets his virtually for free.

I think my oldest son who just retired from the Army said he was going to have to pay something like $450 a year, that's a year, not a month, for full family coverage under Tricare.

Equivalent coverage on the private market would cost at least $15,000-$20,000 a year.

Neither here nor there. Even Pussy Grabber won't go after your son and me.
I can't help it if Americans love their veterans enough to give them single payer.

The truth is both your son and me stayed in 20 years precisely because of Tricare.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by icenine

It is just laughable that the OP thinks there is a big revolution that is going to bring about single payer, which like the ACA will have to be paid for in some manner.

Tell you what, you raise my taxes by $10,000 a year to pay for ACA and cancel my worthless insurance plan. That is what I pay for my insurance premium now, in addition to our of pocket co-pays. If I wil be able to see a doctor more than once a year then it'll be worth it. As it is now, I get one "physical" a year (and it has to be coded as a planned physical), and have to pay $500.00 per visit "copay" for all other doctor visits, like when I get sick and really need to see a doctor.

The US health care system sucks donkey dicks. It's designed solely to make rich people richer. Healing doesn't even enter into the picture. It's the embarrassment of the world.