Trumps is in! - Page 315

ZeroJunk · #**3141** 06-20-2016, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

This is either just not knowing humans under duress or the chaos of a firefight. Nobody is just putting one "in this guy's head" while his back is turned. You've better odds at a half court bucket wearing a blindfold and a partner facing you the correct general direction.

If (a HUGE if!) you get a shot? You're going to miss. That makes it worse for anyone in the room.

Again, the true pro here seeks cover, concealment and make-him-come-to-you: regardless of being armed. Anything else is sheer Gung Ho stupidity.

Bullshit Zeke. It is not a firefight. There is one killer in a room with 300 unarmed people. Seeking cover and making him come to you would be something an idiot would do when he has no idea you are there and thinks that nobody is armed.

Do you even understand the difference between making a snap shot with somebody shooting at you and shooting from a rest when nobody knows you are there ?

And, how in the hell could it have been worse for anybody in the room ?

donquixote99 · #**3142** 06-20-2016, 07:47 AM

We have the cop method explained clearly. Do not risk your precious blue ass for the civilians. Hide and wait for the SWATS.

And the SWATS finally went in, in full armor under a hail of explosives, no doubt. Got their man. How many hostages killed by either the SWATS or the gunman in the final battle? No info released on that as far as I know....

I'm not for armed patrons in a drinking club. That if allowed generally will kill people every day. But i think all armed guards present should have engaged.

merrylander · #**3143** 06-20-2016, 09:13 AM

DQ they are still in the process of determining how many of the victims may have perished due to police fire. So they are at least investigating this, difference in bullet sizes would be an indicator I presume.

icenine · #**3144** 06-20-2016, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

We have the cop method explained clearly. Do not risk your precious blue ass for the civilians. Hide and wait for the SWATS.

And the SWATS finally went in, in full armor under a hail of explosives, no doubt. Got their man. How many hostages killed by either the SWATS or the gunman in the final battle? No info released on that as far as I know....

I'm not for armed patrons in a drinking club. That if allowed generally will kill people every day. But i think all armed guards present should have engaged.

He did; he may not have wanted to be killed either. Understandable. Even if he was moonlighting his professional training took over. This is why all the Rambo bullshit is just that. The security guard went by the book most likely.
Really cannot fault him for that.

If one lives in a society that gives out assault weapons like candy one may not be all that hip to just sacrifice one's life for said society. I am not saying the off-duty policeman was thinking that but I would not be surprised if that is not a common thought among people who work in law enforcement. Who knows.

Tom Joad · #**3145** 06-20-2016, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

I don't think anybody has carried a snub nose 38 since Danny Glover..

I do when I carry.

It's a compromise for sure, but I went with the .38 snub because I lived in Florida at the time and carrying concealed in a hot humid climate has it's challenges.

Zeke · #**3146** 06-20-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

Bullshit Zeke. It is not a firefight. There is one killer in a room with 300 unarmed people. Seeking cover and making him come to you would be something an idiot would do when he has no idea you are there and thinks that nobody is armed.

Do you even understand the difference between making a snap shot with somebody shooting at you and shooting from a rest when nobody knows you are there ?

And, how in the hell could it have been worse for anybody in the room ?

If a guy like you had a gun?

You just presume so much and don't know shit. Have any training? Experience? Baptism under any sort of duress?

There was nowhere to "rest" in that room and the killer controlled the environment.

Pio1980 · #**3147** 06-20-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I do when I carry.

It's a compromise for sure, but I went with the .38 snub because I lived in Florida at the time and carrying concealed in a hot humid climate has it's challenges.

I usually recommend a stainless hammerless 5 shot snubbie for self protection if anyone asks.

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ZeroJunk · #**3148** 06-20-2016, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

If a guy like you had a gun?

You just presume so much and don't know shit. Have any training? Experience? Baptism under any sort of duress?

There was nowhere to "rest" in that room and the killer controlled the environment.

Bullshit Zeke. No tables, support columns, bars, chairs ?

Do you think he was firing in all directions at the same time ?

Do you think he would have noticed somebody hiding putting a gun on him ?

I said from the start that there is no way to know how you would react until you are confronted with it. I have killed enough deer and elk to fill a dump truck with a bow. But, that is obviously not the same thing. Which is why I said you have to have the will to do it and the nerves. I don't know whether I would or not.

BTW, I shoot a lot. And, some of the worst shooters I have ever seen were ex military and police.

Tom Joad · #**3149** 06-20-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980

I usually recommend a stainless hammerless 5 shot snubbie for self protection if anyone asks.

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I have an older S&W J frame.

Mine has a hammer because it's hard enough for me to shoot a snubbie in single action, let alone double action.

I bought the full sized rubber finger grips for it because unlike Trump, I have large hands.

When I carry I use a little nylon pocket holster made especially for it. I haven't had a problem with the hammer snagging on my pocket lining.

Pio1980 · #**3150** 06-20-2016, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I have an older S&W J frame.

Mine has a hammer because it's hard enough for me to shoot a snubbie in single action, let alone double action.

I bought the full sized rubber finger grips for it because unlike Trump, I have large hands.

When I carry I use a little nylon pocket holster made especially for it. I haven't had a problem with the hammer snagging on my pocket lining.

Looks like a smaller version of my postal inspector Speed Six house gun.
My usual carry is a NAA mini 5 shot .22 revolver. I'm still looking for a suitable pocket holster that protects the hammer from moving without snagging it during withdrawal.
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