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Old 01-22-2015, 12:40 PM
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It will be interesting to read the report, or at least a summary. The possibility exists that the Justice Dept. simply couldn't make a clear determination, owing to the absence of any testimony from Mike Brown and especially owing to the total mess the Ferguson PD made of the crime scene and of other physical evidence (Wilson's sidearm for instance).

As the saying goes, "Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence."

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Point conceded but these are the best guys in the business.

I tend to believe that, if there was something grossly abnormal to be discovered, they would have.
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Old 01-22-2015, 12:59 PM
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Darren Wilson is every bit as guilty as George Zimmerman.

I don't give a damn what anyone says about either one of them being "cleared".
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:02 PM
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Darren Wilson is every bit as guilty as George Zimmerman.

I don't give a damn what anyone says about either one of them being "cleared".
In other words, "I've been proven wrong, but it's my story and I'm sticking with it."
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:05 PM
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In other words, "I've been proven wrong, but it's my story and I'm sticking with it."
Yeah, I just can't understand why I feel that way since the government has NEVER lied to me.
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:15 PM
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Darren Wilson is every bit as guilty as George Zimmerman.

I don't give a damn what anyone says about either one of them being "cleared".
And this is another example of alarming stupidity.
  • Zimmerman had no credentials, stalked a kid after repeated warnings to NOT do such things and shot someone who had just purchased Skittles.
  • Wilson was a sworn law enforcement officer, perfectly within his purview to approach, was attacked, and shot someone who had just committed strongarm robbery.

Fuck off, Joad. Your (lame) attempts to craft the criminal thuggery of Michael Brown into Jimmie Lee Jackson fail on their face, just as every pseudo argument you've uttered on this -- and other but I'll remain focused -- issue has done from jump.

Rarely do humans get to witness anyone being as 100% wrong as you have been on this issue...and you're not even smart enough to be embarrassed.
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:17 PM
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Darren Wilson is every bit as guilty as George Zimmerman.

I don't give a damn what anyone says about either one of them being "cleared".
I agree with you in principle but in reality, not much can be done. To paraphrase John, lack of evidence is not absence of evidence. There was no will to find and present it.

In Treyvon's case, no one else was around. In Wilson's case, I am a bit more befuddled (FBI) since we are dealing with a corrupt PD with little credibility.

I am not trying to draw a parallel, but this somehow fits here, story of two different worlds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postev...eague/?hpid=z5
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:25 PM
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In other words, "I've been proven wrong, but it's my story and I'm sticking with it."
Pat, Justice's failure to indict isn't proof of Wilson's innocence so not proof that TJ's wrong.

And apart from anything else, all we know at this point is that the press is reporting that Justice is "unlikely" to indict. Though unlikely, your schadenfreude may be misplaced.

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Pat, Justice's failure to indict isn't proof of Wilson's innocence so not proof that TJ's wrong.

And apart from anything else, all we know at this point is that the press is reporting that Justice is "unlikely" to indict. Though unlikely, your schadenfreude may be misplaced.

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Do you really think Holder's DOJ didn't do their due diligence in investigating this case? Moreover, after a lengthy and thorough investigation by the nation's foremost criminal investigators "did not uncover any facts that differed significantly from the evidence made public by the authorities in Missouri," you still buy into TJ's assertion that Wilson murdered the kid?

It seems to me that you, TJ and others got way out ahead of the facts by asserting murder and/or execution due to your own biases and now you're grasping at straws to save face. I trust the grand jury and the corroboration of pertinent facts by the DOJ far more than I empathize with you and TJ for getting so far out over your skis and doing a face plant.
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Old 01-22-2015, 01:49 PM
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Do you really think Holder's DOJ didn't do their due diligence in investigating this case?
I don't know but I do know that Holder's DOJ is far more controversy-averse than I would like. As a couple of examples, there's there failure to bring charges against any of the thieves on Wall Street. Too big to fail = too big to jail. There's also the violation of the civil rights of Don Siegelman, a grotesque and ongoing case of political persecution.

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Old 01-22-2015, 01:55 PM
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Why do more American's believe that Wilson was guilty? Granted it's not an overwhelming majority but the numbers are still there and why this is not going away.

Americans Remain Deeply Divided Over Ferguson Shooting, Poll Finds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6218718.html
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