Israel has invaded Gaza...

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

To the 3 bolded points:

The difference was that Palestinians (or whatever tribe you're comfortable calling them) had been living on the land for 2 millennia at that point and the Jews hadn't lived there in 2 millennia. Losing your ancestral home to a group because of persecution they suffered on other shores doesn't dampen the blow of the loss.

This is a subject of continuous debate amongst historians since the establishment of the State of Israel. Yours is one learned opinion. Mine is another. The world community which abandoned the Jews of Europe to the Nazis for over a decade decided that they wanted to be done with Jews and decided that a homeland was due to European Jews. And that homeland should be where it now stands. If some other group didn't like it, maybe they should have been firing rockets into the UN instead of Israeli neighborhoods for the past 60 years.

Originally Posted by finnbow

If Israel were indeed willing to live in peace within the 1967 borders, there would be a chance for a reasonable accommodation. We'll never know because that's off the table for Israel. However, Israel intentions with regard to Judea and Samaria are quite clear.

Why should they? The West Bank and Gaza were not taken from Palestinians. They were taken from Jordan and Egypt respectively. Neither Jordan nor Egypt was ever going to give that land to anybody...no Jews...no Palestinians. And, of course, where was the outrage over how Palestinians were being screwed by Hussein and Nasser between 1948 and 1967? There was none. Hussein and Nasser weren't Jews. Israel took those pieces of dirt because enemies sworn to it's destruction attacked them from those pieces of dirt. The government of the State of Israel in 1967 promised the citizens of Israel that they would never again be attacked by Jordan or Egypt from the West Bank or Gaza. The government of Israel is keeping it's promise to it's citizens.

Originally Posted by finnbow

As for making peace with Palestinians, Israel has absolutely no interest in doing so if it were to interfere with their plans to take over Judea and Samaria exception of walled-in urban ghettos in places like Hebron and Ramallah).

Bullshit. Actually Bibi was ready to try to work out some sort of two-state solution...until Hamas, who, by their own charter will settle for nothing less than the State of Israel destroyed and all the Jews therein dead, and who are fully supported by the Palestinian people of Gaza, decided to kick off another round of terrorist rocket and mortar attacks directed purposefully on Israeli civilian targets. Their purpose...to sabotage any two-state solution. You just don't get it. For all their lip-service, Hamas and Hezbollah do not want a two-state solution. They want no Israel and dead Jews. And if they could figure out a way to have more dead Americans they would do that as well.

"In my vision of peace, in this small land of ours, two peoples live freely, side-by-side, in amity and mutual respect. Each will have its own flag, its own national anthem, its own government. Neither will threaten the security or survival of the other. These two realities - our connection to the land of Israel, and the Palestinian population living within it - have created deep divisions in Israeli society. But the truth is that we have much more that unites us than divides us... If we receive this guarantee regarding demilitarization and Israel's security needs, and if the Palestinians recognize Israel as the State of the Jewish people, then we will be ready in a future peace agreement to reach a solution where a demilitarized Palestinian state exists alongside the Jewish state."

June, 14, 2009 - Benjamin Netanyahu

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...c97_story.html