Israel Mourns Teenagers, Strikes Hamas In Gaza

[Oerets]

In the search for the boys Israeli army has killed innocents. The BBC reported five Palestinians were killed in the search. This is a tragic very tragic event. But until Israel realizes their involvement in the root causes these occurrences will only continue.



Barney

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Oerets

In the search for the boys Israeli army has killed innocents. The BBC reported five Palestinians were killed in the search. This is a tragic very tragic event. But until Israel realizes their involvement in the root causes these occurrences will only continue.



Barney

But was any explication of how and why they were killed given? I realize most folks here seem to dislike the Israelis but Hamas are not exactly heroes murdering teen aged boys. And frankly the BBC has not always been impartial when reporting on that area.

I hope when everyone says let Israel look after themselves you realize that you are staring nuclear war in the face. If ISIS, Hamas and Hezbollah are ever successful in driving the Israelies into the sea three guesses what their last act will be, it sure as hell would be mine if I was in their shoes

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by merrylander

But was any explication of how and why they were killed given? I realize most folks here seem to dislike the Israelis but Hamas are not exactly heroes murdering teen aged boys. And frankly the BBC has not always been impartial when reporting on that area.

I hope when everyone says let Israel look after themselves you are staring nuclear war in the face. If ISIS, Hamas and Hezbollah are ever successful in driving the Israelies into the sea three guesses what their last act will be, it sure as hell would be mine if I was in their shoes

The story was the killings occurred during the searches for the three. My guess from the articles and prior history there were demonstrations and rock throwing involved. Doors getting kicked in property destruction.

But given the way the army treats the Palestinians it is easy to see things getting out of hand.



Barney

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by merrylander

But was any explication of how and why they were killed given? I realize most folks here seem to dislike the Israelis but Hamas are not exactly heroes murdering teen aged boys. And frankly the BBC has not always been impartial when reporting on that area.

I hope when everyone says let Israel look after themselves you are staring nuclear war in the face. If ISIS, Hamas and Hezbollah are ever successful in driving the Israelies into the sea three guesses what their last act will be, it sure as hell would be mine if I was in their shoes

Nobody is driving Israelis into the sea.

The Israelis driven by religious fanatics are putting up more settlements in the West Bank which can only compound the conflict.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I realize most folks here seem to dislike the Israelis but Hamas are not exactly heroes murdering teen aged boys. And frankly the BBC has not always been impartial when reporting on that area.

Disliking Israeli policy with respect to West Bank settlements is quite a bit different than disliking Israel. One can like Israel and Israelis, but dislike their settlement policy. Hell, a significant percentage of Israelis dislike their own country's settlement policy. Does that make them anti-Israel? It's also interesting to note that a significant number of the Zionist zealots who are living in the West Bank settlements are American-born Jews who have recently moved to Israel. One of the three murdered kids had dual American/Israeli citizenship, BTW.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Disliking Israeli policy with respect to West Bank settlements is quite a bit different than disliking Israel. One can like Israel and Israelis, but dislike their settlement policy. Hell, a significant percentage of Israelis dislike their own country's settlement policy. Does that make them anti-Israel? It's also interesting to note that a significant number of the Zionist zealots who are living in the West Bank settlements are American-born Jews who have recently moved to Israel. One of the three murdered kids had dual American/Israeli citizenship, BTW.

Back in the beginnings in the early 1900 Theodore Herzl propose creation of a "home" for the Jewish people, not a 'state". I imagine his proposal was to find a country that would welcome them.

The the League of Nations got this idea and bent it out of shape and gave Britain (under Lord Balfour) a mandate to create a home/state fot the Jewish people. Well Balfour started divvying up the parcel the League had proposed. He gave Jordan to the Hashemite Kings, the Golan heights to Syria (under French rule at the time, it was from these heights that the Syrians used to shell Israeli farmers below) and the bit that was left was supposedly where the Jews were to live,

At first they bought land from the Arabs, most of what is present day Tel Aviv was purchased. Needless to say relations between the two were not friendly but it was actually the Arabs who landed the first blows.

When Jordan invaded and took the West Bank we never heard jack shit from anyone. After the seven days war the Arabs were to have the west bank but they said we are going to push the Jews into the sea.

I guess because Lester 'Mike' Pearson got the Nobel Prize for his efforts in the area I acquired an interest in its history.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Back in the beginnings in the early 1900 Theodore Herzl propose creation of a "home" for the Jewish people, not a 'state". I imagine his proposal was to find a country that would welcome them.

I'm keenly aware of Israel's history and have spent quite a bit of time there (and my son lives there). I have great admiration for how they have built a prosperous, industrious and (mostly) democratic nation in the heart of the world's most troubled region. That said, their settlement and collective punishment policies aren't exactly paving the way to peace within their borders.

As is true all over the world (and particularly true in the Mideast), religious zealots there continue to threaten the livelihood of everyone around them. Israel's government is all too willing to demolish the homes of families and relatives of suspected terrorists, while encouraging the illegal (even by their own laws in many cases) settlements in the West Bank. They should show their even-handedness by knocking down the houses of illegal settlers.