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Old 10-05-2013, 09:45 AM
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It is not one parties fault nothing is getting done in Washington. It is all the parties. They are not concerned with doing what the people want or what is best for the people. So the easiest way to get their attention is to vote EVERY INCUMBENT OUT........ Once they see the people are taking control they will stop fighting about which party is right and get to work.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:01 AM
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Oh, I think they all want what's best for the country. It's just that one party wants to fix every ill, so long as someone else pays for it and the other party thinks they can do it without it costing anyone.

They're both wrong.

Then there's the third rail, the voices in the GOPs head, who seem to think their delusional vision of "America" and all of it's faults are to be preserved, even if it leads us straight to hell.

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Old 10-05-2013, 10:03 AM
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It is not one parties fault nothing is getting done in Washington. It is all the parties. They are not concerned with doing what the people want or what is best for the people. So the easiest way to get their attention is to vote EVERY INCUMBENT OUT........ Once they see the people are taking control they will stop fighting about which party is right and get to work.
Fair theory, bad idea.

Not only is it unrealistic, if you eliminated all the experience in Washington, the corporate lobbyists would have their way with the country....way more than they do now. There are also a lot of personal relationships that are fairly important with foreign policy.

Who is going to organize this movement? What makes you think that the replacement will be any better than the incumbent?

People need to vote in realistic replacements as vacancies come up. That is the way the system was designed, and the way it works best. Change would definitely be good, but slow change is going to work best.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:11 AM
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Fair theory, bad idea.

Not only is it unrealistic, if you eliminated all the experience in Washington, the corporate lobbyists would have their way with the country....way more than they do now. There are also a lot of personal relationships that are fairly important with foreign policy.

Who is going to organize this movement? What makes you think that the replacement will be any better than the incumbent?

People need to vote in realistic replacements as vacancies come up. That is the way the system was designed, and the way it works best. Change would definitely be good, but slow change is going to work best.
Exactly. Why vote out an individual who might actually be doing a fairly decent job----just because he/she is there? This makes no sense.

The issue here is two-fold;

Too many people are just angry at the government in general.

Too many don't really know much or anything about their local representatives.

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Old 10-05-2013, 10:48 AM
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They were making the point on TV that since they do not have earmarks to dole out Boehner has no power to bribe his followers into voting for the end of the shutdown.
Everyone hates earmarks but forgets that it was how a Congressmen took care of the people in their districts.....and had to answer to them.

The Koch brothers now supply the bribes, thus the House members do not have to worry about the folks back home. As long as they can hoodwink them into believing that they are cleaning up the mess in Washington they get re-elected.
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Old 10-05-2013, 12:40 PM
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I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating. Here's the typical anarcho-tea partyist. Ted Yoho-Fla.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...35e_story.html
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Old 10-05-2013, 01:27 PM
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Here's one of the architects that fostered these wackjobs who're destroying the Republican party from within. Kevin McCarthy-Ca. Rep/Tea Whip

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...,7794046.story
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:16 PM
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As the fifth day of the federal government shutdown began, members of the House came together in a moment of rare bipartisanship to pass a bill, by a vote of 407 to 0, approving back pay for furloughed government workers.

President Obama has expressed his support for the measure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid supports the measure, but said Saturday that if furloughed workers are guaranteed back pay, there’s no reason to keep them out of work.
Good, we pay the taxes all the same and they get paid all the same. But we get nothing at all for these tax dollars and the businesses they support can't pay the rent.

And Boner still will not allow an up or down vote, sweet.

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Old 10-05-2013, 02:20 PM
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It is not one parties fault nothing is getting done in Washington. It is all the parties. They are not concerned with doing what the people want or what is best for the people. So the easiest way to get their attention is to vote EVERY INCUMBENT OUT........ Once they see the people are taking control they will stop fighting about which party is right and get to work.
Welcome aboard vinyard!
I still want to see an up and down clean vote before anything else. There is no reason to hold the country hostage over an unrelated issue IMO.

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Old 10-05-2013, 02:33 PM
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Welcome aboard vinyard!
I still want to see an up and down clean vote before anything else. There is no reason to hold the country hostage over an unrelated issue IMO.

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