The logic doesnt add up....

[Grumpy]

I think middle american has spoken, they don't like "new waves". I am all for change. But not the partisan shit that both sides are pandering. Then again I'm far from the typical voter.

[noonereal]

I don't think anyone here is a typical voter (with one exception).

The typical voter is manipulated by sound bites and has no clue as to facts.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

I think middle american has spoken, they don't like "new waves". I am all for change. But not the partisan shit that both sides are pandering. Then again I'm far from the typical voter.

Originally Posted by noonereal

I don't think anyone here is a typical voter (with one exception).

The typical voter is manipulated by sound bites and has no clue as to facts.

You know, I actually think Grumpy *is* what is becoming the typical voter. They've kind of had it with both sides. What's becoming more rare is the partisan hack outside of the political establishment. I'll fully admit I'm a Democratic hack. I'm so morally opposed to the social agenda of the Republican party I couldn't see my way to voting for one of them on any grounds.

Though I am becoming a little less enthralled by my own party. If you think about it, that's exactly what a Joe Liberman is trying to pander to. Maybe we all got Joe wrong. He may be the smartest guy there.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Maybe we all got Joe wrong. He may be the smartest guy there.

Lieberman isn't dumb. He's just completely devoid of principle.

Completely.

John

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

You know, I actually think Grumpy *is* what is becoming the typical voter. They've kind of had it with both sides. What's becoming more rare is the partisan hack outside of the political establishment. I'll fully admit I'm a Democratic hack. I'm so morally opposed to the social agenda of the Republican party I couldn't see my way to voting for one of them on any grounds.

Though I am becoming a little less enthralled by my own party. If you think about it, that's exactly what a Joe Liberman is trying to pander to. Maybe we all got Joe wrong. He may be the smartest guy there.

Pharmaceutical Joe a panderer, say it isn't so.

[Grumpy]

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. Now I must insult you !

[davidb]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

He's saying what he has to say. Of course it's not accurate. He's driving an agenda like every politician. Hey, that's their job.

I think what he's saying, and he's right, is that people were mad so they elected him. People are still mad and they elected Brown. The circumstances that lead to Obama being elected are the same circumstances that lead to Brown being elected. I think it's a effort to say "I haven't done enough" witout actually coming out and saying that. Because you can't show any weakness or the other side will rip you to shreads. So he's trying to just play it off- complicated issues, going to take time, but people like me and Brown are coming in to take care of things. Kind of cast himself as part of the "new wave".

Interesting spin but it's BS. If people liked what he is pushing they would have elected someone to let him continue. He just had the brakes slammed on his party. If he's got any sense he'll back off and pay attention to what the majority of this country wants. It is truly amazing how they are trying to spin this.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by davidb

Interesting spin but it's BS. If people liked what he is pushing they would have elected someone to let him continue. He just had the brakes slammed on his party. If he's got any sense he'll back off and pay attention to what the majority of this country wants. It is truly amazing how they are trying to spin this.

This was definitely a message to the Democrats but it was a message from both sides. For some reason there was little in the way of exit polling for this election but what there was seemed to indicate that comparable numbers of Brown voters seemed to be dissatisfied with the lack of progress toward the Administrations goals as there were who were opposed to what they understood those goals to be. Also, with specific reference to health care the opposition was split between those who felt the Senate bill was a sell-out and those opposed to reform of any sort.

John

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by davidb

Interesting spin but it's BS. If people liked what he is pushing they would have elected someone to let him continue. He just had the brakes slammed on his party. If he's got any sense he'll back off and pay attention to what the majority of this country wants. It is truly amazing how they are trying to spin this.

The problem with that is just what does the country want? We now know what some people in Mass want but AFAIK they hardly constitute the whole country. Correction we only know what they don't want. For example, many want a Single Payer plan because there really is no way of controlling the insurance companies. Then some want the status quo, some folks like being screwed. There is no single "we want" idea in the country, in fact I submit that there is no single idea in the country, but that is another thread.

The only common thread is that many, many people are pissed because there is an African American in the WhiteHouse. So they say "He did not do this", "He did not do that". seemingly forgetting that the President cannot act alone, Oh I know Cheney and the Chinese guy thought otherwise but they ignored the Constitution. In the House the Democrats do have a majority, in the Senate they did not, there were two independents and the Blue Dogs who lack the cojones to admit they are Republicans in drag. And then there was Ben Nelson, the Senate's chief hypocrit.

Dr. No and his ilk are determined to drag Obama down regardless of what it does to the country. Jobs? I am willing to bet that unemployment would be at 20% without the bailout. Will jobs come back? Not before November since most business owners are Republicans and they want Obama out so they will defer hiring until after November, using only temps until then.

They all can thank their lucky stars that they are here because in many countries they would be shot as traitors.

[davidb]

I think there is a single "we want" A truly transparent government. Will we get? No. But we were flat out lied to. That may not be a big deal to some but where I come from it tells the story. I'm in a customer service job and meet many people everyday. The attitude here in the deep south is outrage. Not for the color of his skin but the size of his balls. You can write it off as racist but that is just an out. If the majority were racist he would not be the president. I think he is a good person but he lacks any real experience being the boss of anything.