Hello from Pacific NW...

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The only difference between Hillary and Obama that I remember is, Hillary was honest about Iraq and Obama lied.

Oh, well. I suppose things had to start going downhill in this thread eventually.

Obama and Hillary did have different positions on Iraq. Also on health care and a wide range of other issues but Obama did not lie about Iraq. He said that we had to be as careful getting out as we had been careless getting in. He proposed a phased withdrawal over time and that, my friend, is what we're doing.

Obama - a centrist?

Yup! Look at his health care proposal. A "leftist" wouldn't have taken single payer off the table from the start. Look at his fiscal policy, bailing out the bankers and doing precious little for individuals.

Hillary - a centrist?

Center-left probably but that's only based on what she's said. Her husband talked a good liberal game but when it came right down to it he governed from the center.

Hell then Buchanan is too, or at least Bush is and Buchy boy would be center-right.

Buchanan is a mainstream "classical" conservative with a populist streak. He and Bush share very little politically, IMO. I'm sure, for instance that the "unitary executive" business is anathema to a traditional small government conservative like him.

John