Fox needs to be stopped!

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

Its extremely sad that folks lost their lives in this incident, and its sad that others were seriously injured. Its sad that one individual's apparently damaged mental state destroyed others lives, and his own. Its also sad - not to the same extent - and disturbing to watch the left rush to capitalize on what they believe is a political opportunity.

Strange, I got the inpression people were trying to show that the current wild statements can (and have?) lead to disaterous results. Wanting to stop more slaughter is hardy "political opportunism". Unless of course you want to tell me that only liberals think life is sacred, which I sincerely doubt is your belief..

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Charles

Fair enough, how about a big group hug?

But be advised, I might cop a feel!!!

Chas

Lotta good it will do ya.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by whell

OK, as long as we're clear that you're sticking with "everyone knows" as your source of proof or evidence about the shooters motivation and state of mind.

It doesn't matter what his motives were. After 9/11, no one said "before we attack, we better be clear what the motives were". He did what he did. Before he did it, there were many vailed and direct threats to liberals. Is he crazy? Of course he is. Is he the only one? Definately not.

We live in a country where a lot of people think a lunitic should be able to walk into WalMart and buy a gun. We live in a time when many people are calling for the use of guns to make thier political point. Maybe you think that's okay. I don't.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Chas, that isn't really true. Members of this forum have called for armed insurrection. And be it rhetoric or actual belief, there is indeed a lot of rhetoric in the whole tea party movement that implies "or else we'll rise up in armed resistance". Why do they chose the "Don't tread on me" flag as their symbol? What are they saying? Do as we ask or we'll bite you? Yeah, I know, it's just a symbol, but a symbol that represents the last time Americans rose up in armed resistance against the government.

That jack wad in Texas said they should succeed from the Union. Several folks here suggested that was a great idea and their state should go along. No one has called for armed insurrection? What is the point of toting guns to an event where the President is speaking?

And yes, the right wing commentators contribute to the problem. They paint every issue as if Democrats are going to kill America. "This is it guys, this is the one that will kill your country!" They create the impression that the true patriot will take any action to defeat this measure. They say that, knowing full well that this is an armed nation with a fair number of nut jobs.

Here's the thing that I think is getting lost here- it doesn't matter why this guy did it. It doesn't matter if he was a Palin follower or just a nut case. The thing is, Sarah put a gun sight on this woman and now someone has shot her. It was inappropriate imagery then and it's even more so now.

Ed

I thought that's basically what I said, only I don't get as upset about it as you.

Do you want in on this group hug or not?

Chas

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Charles

I thought that's basically what I said, only I don't get as upset about it as you.

Do you want in on this group hug or not?

Chas

Huh. I'm not really upset. Read it again in a different voice. I thought I was making a reasoned statement.

I'm all for the group hug. I thought this thread was going pretty well given what happened.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whell

That is, of course, the point. None of the folks on the list needed Fox News, etc, to motivate them to do what they did. They were quite capable of motivating themselves, or finding like-minded individuals for aid an comfort. Fox, Palin, etc. have become the favored "targets" of the left, and this sad incident is being politicized far beyond proportion in hopes of damaging a political opponent.

Its extremely sad that folks lost their lives in this incident, and its sad that others were seriously injured. Its sad that one individual's apparently damaged mental state destroyed others lives, and his own. Its also sad - not to the same extent - and disturbing to watch the left rush to capitalize on what they believe is a political opportunity.

Were you expecting someone to regurgitate your views?

Is it crass opportunism to point out Ms. Gifford's ominous recognition of the circumstances that led her own assassination? I don't think so. We should hope that her death wakes us up to the active marketing of hate for financial and political gain. I think the folks on the right are becoming extremely defensive because the connection between her death and the hateful rhetoric that has exploded over the last two years is too close for comfort.

Regards,

D-Ray

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Is it crass opportunism to point out Ms. Gifford's ominous recognition of the circumstances that led her own assassination? I don't think so.

I thought assassination, by definition, means that someone has died. I don't think she's lost that battle yet.

Its one thing to make an observation that the political waters, and political dialog, are overheating. Its quite another, as those in this thread are attempting to do, to make Fox News, Sara Palin, etc., an accessory to murder.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

It doesn't matter what his motives were. After 9/11, no one said "before we attack, we better be clear what the motives were". He did what he did. Before he did it, there were many vailed and direct threats to liberals. Is he crazy? Of course he is. Is he the only one? Definately not.

We live in a country where a lot of people think a lunitic should be able to walk into WalMart and buy a gun. We live in a time when many people are calling for the use of guns to make thier political point. Maybe you think that's okay. I don't.

I don't disagree. But I don't think your post characterized the OP's original message.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by whell

OK, as long as we're clear that you're sticking with "everyone knows" as your source of proof or evidence about the shooters motivation and state of mind.

I'll tell you something Whell I don't have the patients to document how and why there is a connection betweens kill the lib speech in this country and this murder. I have never let you trap me into wasting such vast amounts of energy to doing such nonsense.

If you really don't get it you are screwed if you thing I am gonna jump through hoops to prove it to you courtroom style. That is why I post on a message board and am not a lawyer. I cant take tedious for tedious sake.

Your style of argument is to win (not discuss) and you do it mostly by demanding court room level evidence from anyone that opposes you by setting the stage that you are correct until proven wrong.

We been down this road before and I still ain't playin' pal.

This style has frustrated some buddies of mine here and I feel bad for them as they no longer post but i am here and louder than ever.

That was a bit long winded of me wasn't it?

(great opening for you )

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

I thought that's basically what I said, only I don't get as upset about it as you.

Do you want in on this group hug or not?

Chas

ROTFLOL

Now that right there is just flat out funny.