Election 2024

[Watcher]

I would laugh if it wasn´t so fucking sad.

I´m going to stop watching YT videos on US politics; it´s just too depressing to see what has become of the country.

Once again, I am so glad to be living in a civilized country, where US politics only affect me and my wife indirectly.

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by Watcher

Once again, I am so glad to be living in a civilized country, where US politics only affect me and my wife indirectly.

... but you don't wanna say where that is because you fear an influx of migrants?

[donquixote99]

I see data that is leading me to place more emphasis on the economic factor. I personally am pretty well insulated from inflation's bite, which seems to have kept me from understanding the feelings of many others.

Robert Reich observes that after a political disaster, there is a raking over of the ashes of defeat, and everyone tries to do forensics and come up with the Lesson. A consensus on the Lesson will form, and this idea will be consequential. The column linked below gives Reich's proposal for the Lesson, which I think makes sense.

Here's a quick summary of Reich's take on some leading but mainly wrong candidates for the Lesson (everything in italics or quotes is from Reich's column.)

1. It was a total repudiation of the Democratic Party, a major realignment. "Rubbish." The country remains very closely split, the Democratic party remains competitive.

2. If the Dems want to win in the future, they have to move to the right.****"Wrong." Reich means this in the moral sense I think, calling on Democrats not to give up on "democracy, social justice, civil rights, and equal voting rights."

3. Republicans won because of misinformation and right-wing propaganda...[Democrats should] cultivate an equivalent media ecosystem that rivals what the right has built. "Partly true...Better messaging, yes. Lies and bigotry, no." Among other things, Reich calls for regulation, so "platforms achieve minimum standards of moderation and decency."

4. Republicans cheated.****"Putin tried," but no such evidence.

5. Harris ran a lousy campaign.****"Untrue. Harris ran an excellent campaign... Trump’s antics sucked most of the oxygen out of the political air."

6. Racism and misogyny. "Partly true."


And now, Reich's idea of the Lesson:

Here’s the real Lesson of the 2024 election:

"On Tuesday, according to exit polls, Americans voted mainly on the****economy —****and their votes reflected their class and level of education.

While the economy has improved over the last two years according to standard economic measures, most Americans without college degrees — that’s the majority — have not felt it.

In fact, most Americans without college degrees have not felt much economic improvement for four decades...."

Implicit in the argument are the implications that the Democratic leadership is, indeed, part of the elite, and as such is doing fine and has lost touch with the great economic grievance of the majority of Americans. Reich recommends a program of decidedly progressive economic reform.

"The Democratic Party should use this inflection point to shift ground — from being the party of well-off college graduates, big corporations, “never-Tumpers” like Dick Cheney, and vacuous “centrism” — to an anti-establishment party ready to shake up the system on behalf of the vast majority of Americans."

By all means, see the details of Reich's recommendations in his essay:
https://open.substack.com/pub/robert...m_medium=email

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Chicks

No, that is perception based on ignorance. You really don't "get" facts, do you?

Ignorance?
Have you been checking the satisfaction figures put out by one them Universities in Michigan? It has consistently told the Biden admin that the people do not believe the economic fairy tale of the Krugmans.:The response was similar to yours...the people are dumb Maga folks or heavily by influenced them.

Modern Economists have been corrupted. Modern Economics is now a function of big corporations and their government shillers.

Over a couple of decades the Economists have f**ked with the methodologies which determine important markers relating to such as, Unemployment and Cost Of Living.

What is ironic is that the Biden admin has been so mesmerized, hypnotized by the glowing economic reports that it could not mount a meaningful, coherent response to the cries of the people.

[Oasis]

More fairy tales from Dondilion

[Watcher]

Originally Posted by Noogies

... but you don't wanna say where that is because you fear an influx of migrants?

No problem telling where I live; I came to Germany in 1985 for a two year assignment with the USAF.

I got out and stayed here. Best thing that ever happened to me, And that I met my wife here

And, don´t worry, we have enough immigrants.

Edit: I personally welcome all foreigners that want to come to Germany, as long as they learn German, and integrate themselves

into Germany society, as I did.

[Oasis]

Originally Posted by Noogies

... but you don't wanna say where that is because you fear an influx of migrants?

Xenophobia is only a trait I see in the Trump movement, or cult, whatever it is.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Oasis

More fairy tales from Dondilion

"I'm right and you're wrong, so there".

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Ignorance?
Have you been checking the satisfaction figures put out by one them Universities in Michigan? It has consistently told the Biden admin that the people do not believe the economic fairy tale of the Krugmans.:The response was similar to yours...the people are dumb Maga folks or heavily by influenced them.

Modern Economists have been corrupted. Modern Economics is now a function of big corporations and their government shillers.

Over a couple of decades the Economists have f**ked with the methodologies which determine important markers relating to such as, Unemployment and Cost Of Living.

What is ironic is that the Biden admin has been so mesmerized, hypnotized by the glowing economic reports that it could not mount a meaningful, coherent response to the cries of the people.

ROFL. You clearly don't understand economics or economists at all. You spout nonsense over and over again, like Donny, thinking someone will eventually believe it. Nope.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Chicks

ROFL. You clearly don't understand economics or economists at all. You spout nonsense over and over again, like Donny, thinking someone will eventually believe it. Nope.

I remember stating on this site that "The economy and the electoral college favor Trump" and was severely taken to task for including economy.