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Old 11-05-2024, 04:11 PM
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Well, I am going dark until tomorrow. Going home after work, hitting some wine and melatonin and waiting until either the sound of gunfire wakes me up or I sleep through the night and I can log on in the morning.
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Old 11-05-2024, 08:43 PM
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Well, I am going dark until tomorrow. Going home after work, hitting some wine and melatonin and waiting until either the sound of gunfire wakes me up or I sleep through the night and I can log on in the morning.
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Old 11-05-2024, 08:59 PM
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I'm getting the feeling that Harris is going to win and win by a larger margin than any of the pollsters and pundits are predicting.
Same here. There is a ton of energy and major anger from the women of this country. Some of them well remember the gory old days pre Roe V Wade when getting a safe abortion was for the well heeled and you were SOL otherwise. Dodd will go down as a major factor in this election.
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Old 11-06-2024, 04:53 AM
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Hey, anybody know what happened to my MSNBC feed?
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Old 11-06-2024, 05:34 AM
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Hey, anybody know what happened to my MSNBC feed?
LOL Be patient!
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Old 11-06-2024, 12:11 PM
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The result of this election will cost Germany around 180 billion Euros!

By the way - why did the polls fuck up so extremely sensational?
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Old 11-06-2024, 12:48 PM
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The result of this election will cost Germany around 180 billion Euros!

By the way - why did the polls fuck up so extremely sensational?
A good guess is people would not admit going to vote for him.
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Old 11-06-2024, 02:23 PM
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A good guess is people would not admit going to vote for him.
and a shit ton of allegedly Democratic voters sat on their thumbs, I suspect.
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Old 11-06-2024, 04:37 PM
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The result of this election will cost Germany around 180 billion Euros!
Could you kindly explain.

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Old 11-06-2024, 07:31 PM
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and a shit ton of allegedly Democratic voters sat on their thumbs, I suspect.
Actually, they did vote. Some of them just didn't vote the way the pollsters assumed that they would.

Democrats just didn't get how they screwed up their chances in this election. Some of them may be starting to get it, but how much of this is lip service or sour grapes only time will tell.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...oss-rcna178967

Democrats said of their own party as "... drifted far from its onetime identity as the protectors of those left behind, to represent the party elites.

Some spoke of revamping the party’s outlook on immigration, calling for stricter enforcement on the border. They saw the rising support for Trump in metro areas as a backlash from early policies during President Joe Biden’s administration that enabled migrants to flood into blue states, where they were often housed and financially supported even as working-class residents struggled to receive services.

Sen. Bernie Sanders: "It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them," he said Wednesday. "First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right."

Some of what went wrong can be traced to the dismantling of the coalition that ushered Biden into office in 2020, said a person close to Biden. The president claimed victory over Trump after beating out an expansive primary field that had moved too far to the left. But once Biden moved into the Oval Office, top aides pushed him toward policies that drifted from that moderate persona, like issuing wide-scale student debt relief, loosening restrictions at the border and pulling the permit to the Keystone Pipeline.

At least one Dem appears to have figured it out: “This is a realignment. Our country has moved to the right. It’s not center left. Our party needs to grapple with it and find its footing in that world,” said Rep. Nikki Budzinski, an Illinois Democrat who won by double digits in a purple district after campaigning heavily on the economy.

Instead, this current crop of Democrats thought it best to gaslight the American electorate. Inflation was "temporary" we were told. The economy is booming, we were told. When some people observed that Americans had gone from the FBI released their "revised" report that showed what Americans had known all along, despite David Muir's apparent lack of curiosity about how the FBI report could have missed the obvious the first time.

“I have checked the data on total violent crime from 2004 to 2022,” Carl Moody, professor at the College of William & Mary who specializes in crime, told RCI. “There were no revisions from 2004 to 2015, and from 2016 to 2020, there were small changes of less than one percentage point. The huge changes in 2021 and 2022, especially without an explanation, make it difficult to trust the FBI data.”

Long story short, beleive what you want. You can beleive that Democrat voters stayed home if you want. Fact is that Harris's 2024 popular vote totals are cosistent with the Democrat popular vote totals in 2008, 2012 and 2016. So, lie to yourself at your own peril.

I've voted for Democratic presidential candidates in the past. I haven't voted for a Democrat in while now. The party of JFK or even Jimmy Carter would find little to like about today's Democrats, particulary the leadership. Today's Democrats have left me behind and moved way to the left.

I hope they figure this out. We need politicians - Democrats and Republicans - who are in touch with the voters and are not hostile to them like today's ilk is.
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