Hamas Attack in Israel

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Here's my opinion on what Israeli policy should be vis-a-vis Hamas...

Kill 'em. Kill 'em all.

I suspect my opinion on this is similar to Benjamin Netanyahu's opinion.

Since October 7, this may well be Bibi's opinion. However, the gist of the criticism against Bibi is that, instead of focusing singularly on destroying Hamas, he cynically accommodated them as a strategy to undermine negotiations with the (more reasonable) West Bank Palestinians over a two-state solution.

As for "killing them all," there are 30-40k armed Hamas fighters in a population of 2 million in Gaza. Which "all" is it you want to kill, 40k or 2 million?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Certain opinions like current climate change causes, innocents suffering and lose of life in Israel and Gaza. Hamas was wrong to act as they did and stopped from ever again acting so. Israel has issues with treatment and expansion into areas.

When faced overwhelming evidence, scientific documentation, pictures, video, testimony ongoing events. Arguing over what happened for person feelings only prolongs any growth forward in our success as a species.

The difficult thing about this is that, let's say the Israelis were able to go into Gaza, root out every subhuman bag of guts, and lock them up or kill them. Eliminate them, much as this country has eliminated Al Qaeda as a serious threat. The religious extremists are going to be hard at work immediately replacing the old Hamas with a new Hamas. Maybe they'll call it something else, maybe they won't. But they will be replaced, and likely by people even more subhuman than their predecessors. Of course having US liberal Jews and US liberal rabbis doing their victim precipitation bullshit, blaming the victims for the terrorist acts being perped on them...makes it all the worse.

I have an issue with your "expansion" comment above though. In August-September 2005, the government of Israel moved all residents in Gaza settlements, back to Israel. All Israeli security units were also withdrawn. The occupation of Gaza ended in September 2005. There is no "expansion" of Israeli settlements in Gaza, Gaza is no longer "occupied". If the problem Gazans have with the joint blockade of Gaza by Israel AND EGYPT (a country that never gets mortared, rocketed, or attacked by terrorists) all they have to do is tell Hamas to stop mortar attacks, rocket attacks, and other terrorist attacks. When sufficient assurances have been made that the terrorism is over, Israel will be more than happy to end any blockade of Gaza. Egypt has their own reasons for a blockade, which Hamas and Gazans apparently don't mind. Hamas will have to find some other excuse for their terrorism. And US liberal Jews and liberal Jewish rabbis will have to come up with some language other than "zionazi", "Israel apartheid", and "genocide" when they need to complain about Israeli Jews.

[Oerets]

The still disputed occupied territories BTW. With continued settlement expansion over ejections and talks of annexing more of the West Bank.

Like I stated in the past the creation of Israel in my opinion. Is a done deal, history. No changing the way it happened.
The problem is if one looks at a what if.
Someday the world decides that the Native Americans need a homeland of their own. Forcing let us say the state of Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio you pick to be given back to them. Displacing the current non Native American inhabitants to give up there property. Forced into ever decreasing areas.

How well does one think the would sit with the rest of this country?

[Ike Bana]

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[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Since October 7, this may well be Bibi's opinion. However, the gist of the criticism against Bibi is that, instead of focusing singularly on destroying Hamas, he cynically accommodated them as a strategy to undermine negotiations with the (more reasonable) West Bank Palestinians over a two-state solution.

As for "killing them all," there are 30-40k armed Hamas fighters in a population of 2 million in Gaza. Which "all" is it you want to kill, 40k or 2 million?

Gazans are victims of Hamas. Right now Gazans are victims of the Hamas attack on israel. Its what Hamas wants...the more dead innocent Gazans, the happier Hamas is. Always working the propaganda. Always putting the rocket and mortar installations near mosques, schools, hospitals, in the middle of residential neighborhoods, to keep the civilian body count as high as possible, when their rocket and mortar installations are taken out by Israeli airstrikes.

I would settle for every one of the 40,000 Hamas fighters plus whatever leaders and non-armed affiliates of Hamas being gutted on the streets of Gaza City,. Just as Hamas has been doing with their Palestinian opponents, as well as innocent bystanders who bought the wrong car...gutted or shot in the head and tossed on the streets of Gaza City since 1987.

As far as Bibi is concerned, there are so many varying critiques, I can't keep track anymore. But here's the thing about the Israeli Jews that is all over and done with here in our shithole country. When somebody comes after them, as somebody always will, the leadership, regarless of the politics, closes ranks, sets aside the ideological differences and works cooperatively to wipe out the aggressors. Just another reason to hate the Jews.

And there's always the "liberal Jews" with their "zionazis, Israel apartheid, and genocide" bullshit coming out of the woodwork.

[Mark B]

Article by The Bulwark on media repeating Hamas disinformation:

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/rush-t...hospital-story

[Mark B]

As a Democrat I'm embarrassed and disgusted by this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vide...last-104131257

[Mark B]

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) responds to remarks made by her Democratic colleague Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), who has called for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...z-acostanr.cnn

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Mark B

As a Democrat I'm embarrassed and disgusted by this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vide...last-104131257

Its "The Squad"...Tlaib, Omar, AOC, Pressley, Bowman, and Bush. A pack of confirmed anti-Semites.

[Human]

Originally Posted by Mark B

As a Democrat I'm embarrassed and disgusted by this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vide...last-104131257

1) This video is 8 days old, before further evidence of the origins of the blast came to light.

2) People need to wait until investigations are complete before making judgements, and that includes Rep Tlaib.