Hunter Biden Lock Him Up!!!!!

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I couldn't care less what legitimately happens to Hunter Biden (as opposed to the bloodthirsty, breathless accusations/innuendo from the House GOP), but there is less to the linked story than meets the eye. First, the GOP's whistleblowers thus far have been far less than credible MAGA suck-ups with axes to grind.

Secondly, as someone who worked at high levels of 3 federal agencies that sometimes referred cases to DOJ for possible prosecution, there are several steps that are taken before any case is even considered for referral. First, cognizant staff at the originating agency need to develop all the known facts in the case and then elevate it to the agency's Solicitor (or General Counsel) office for a thorough review. At that point, the Solicitor decides whether it constitutes a slam-dunk case for referral to DOJ. Otherwise, it goes nowhere as DOJ has a full enough plate that it won't even consider weak/hearsay cases (their pickiness results in their 99.6% conviction rate).

Agencies don't want to be perceived as Chicken Littles who forward weak cases because agency Solicitors fear it would negatively impact important future referrals from the agency in the eyes of DOJ. Once a case gets referred to DOJ, there is a reasonable likelihood that it won't be prosecuted for a number of reasons (e.g., still perceived as a weak case, no compelling public interest is served by the case, prosecution is already being pursued by state or local prosecutors). At that point, cases that are accepted for prosecution result in 95% being settled out of court anyway.

If Hunter's case was already close to settlement via a plea, DOJ wouldn't be particularly interested in further mucking up the works with further counts that wouldn't materially impact the settlement and its prescribed penalty.

I'm glad an engineer is available to offer opinions on the legal process.

In any case, the whistleblower's counsel has indicated in writing that his client has already made appropriate internal disclosures. Of course, when the two organizations cited in his complaint are the DOJ and the FBI, that might take oversight to determine that the complaint is dealt with appropriately.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I'm glad an engineer is available to offer opinions on the legal process.

In any case, the whistleblower's counsel has indicated in writing that his client has already made appropriate internal disclosures. Of course, when the two organizations cited in his complaint are the DOJ and the FBI, that might take oversight to determine that the complaint is dealt with appropriately.

Two things. In my experience (which is considerable in this arena from the numerous cases I've been involved with for DOD, DOL and DOE), agency staff who discover wrongdoing are always more fired up than DOJ/FBI investigators who get their referrals (in the few instances that actually get beyond the agency's counsel) and therefore often disgruntled when they feel their complaints are not being weighed seriously enough. Such conversations/disagreements are commonplace, even routine.

As for oversight of the DOJ, the incompetent clowns chairing the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees (Gym Jordan (enabler of sex crimes and too stupid to pass the bar exam) and James Comer (Agriculture Major who beat his girlfriend in college)) are simply incapable of doing objective, intelligent, meaningful and honest oversight. Everything they've touched so far has turned to shit, laughingly so in fact.

It makes me wonder what kind of whistleblower would go to these blithering idiots besides delusional MAGAts (and so far every Comer/Jordan "whistleblower" has been a delusional MAGAt in the midst adverse personnel actions for poor job performance) using the whistleblower process to try to salvage their failing careers. As an HR weenie, one would think you'd recognize the type.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

I'm glad an engineer is available to offer opinions on the legal process.

In any case, the whistleblower's counsel has indicated in writing that his client has already made appropriate internal disclosures. Of course, when the two organizations cited in his complaint are the DOJ and the FBI, that might take oversight to determine that the complaint is dealt with appropriately.

Please try and be more specific. Which clown from the House since the GOP Senators are sitting out indefinitely.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

OK, fine and dandy. But you didn't specify that you were including "collateral damage" caused by narcotics use in your definition.



Where the f**k did I suggest it? I didn't even mention you in the response to your post. Misread or misconstrue post is what lefty shitstacks do, I guess.



Not likely. We tried that already, less the mandatory surrender of property that you advocate above. And the research on the impact of the law indicated nothing even close to the reduction in homicide rates that you envision above.

The mandatory surrender of property would require an amendment to that document your claim to despise, the US Constitution. Currently, that horrid document prevents the government from confiscating or compelling the surrender of personal property without due process. Some of the other "first world nations" don't always have the same protections for personal property as this country does, as distressing as that may be to you.



All I have now is a headache after reading your rant.

That's because your head was up your butt while I was kicking your ass. Every one of your bullshit comments got a head on deadly reply from me, you pathetic genuflecting cult member.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Two things. In my experience (which is considerable in this arena from the numerous cases I've been involved with for DOD, DOL and DOE), agency staff who discover wrongdoing are always more fired up than DOJ/FBI investigators who get their referrals (in the few instances that actually get beyond the agency's counsel) and therefore often disgruntled when they feel their complaints are not being weighed seriously enough. Such conversations/disagreements are commonplace, even routine.

Yes, I can see how the Justice Dept wouldn't get shook up about pursuing a $2 Mil tax bill. That would never light a fire under anyone's ass at the DOJ.

...oh, but wait:

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/06/11407...inal-tax-fraud

But lest yee get all fired about this post being made in Trump's defense, it is an example - one of many - of why some folks are wondering about politics infecting the DOJ and the FBI.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

That's because your head was up your butt while I was kicking your ass.

...and then you woke up and realized you'd had a wet dream.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Please try and be more specific. Which clown from the House since the GOP Senators are sitting out indefinitely.

Oversight, as in House Oversight Committee. As far as the Senate "sitting it out", Gary Peters I'm sure has no interest in taking this matter up in his Senate committee.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, I can see how the Justice Dept wouldn't get shook up about pursuing a $2 Mil tax bill. That would never light a fire under anyone's ass at the DOJ.

You obviously don't understand the dynamic between regulatory agencies and DOJ. IRS cares about tax compliance and revenue whereas DOJ cares about (major) crime. Failing to file tax returns is a misdemeanor and Hunter paid his tax debts when his liabilities were exposed rather than fighting and lying about it (like Trump did).

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/06/11407...inal-tax-fraud

But lest yee get all fired about this post being made in Trump's defense, it is an example - one of many - of why some folks are wondering about politics infecting the DOJ and the FBI.

The difference is (as it was in the Mar-a-Lago documents case) is that Hunter cooperated with authorities and voluntarily paid his tax arrears (as Joe Biden and Pence cooperated and voluntarily returned the documents) whereas Trump denied, deflected, and lied about his tax/bank/wire/business frauds (Hunter was not accused of decades of tax and bank fraud, just failing to file returns for two years (misdemeanors) - big difference).

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

OK, fine and dandy. But you didn't specify that you were including "collateral damage" caused by narcotics use in your definition.



Where the f**k did I suggest it? I didn't even mention you in the response to your post. Misread or misconstrue post is what lefty shitstacks do, I guess.

Bullshit, lying wanker. You said "nicotine causes far more deaths than alcohol." Fucking lie. So don't start your sniveling and whining when you get caught out spewing lies on this forum. I didn't misconstrue anything, you stuck your head up your own ass.

Originally Posted by whell

Not likely. We tried that already, less the mandatory surrender of property that you advocate above. And the research on the impact of the law indicated nothing even close to the reduction in homicide rates that you envision above.

The mandatory surrender of property would require an amendment to that document your claim to despise, the US Constitution. Currently, that horrid document prevents the government from confiscating or compelling the surrender of personal property without due process. Some of the other "first world nations" don't always have the same protections for personal property as this country does, as distressing as that may be to you.

Bullshit, lying wanker. You said "Besides, I thought the left wanted more gun laws, not less." All I said in my response was, I do not want more gun laws. And I went on to explain what single gun law I want. Your statement is a fucking lie. Most real, honest, and dedicated progressives want a single gun law...the outlawing of handguns and semi-automatic war weapons. So you fucking lie about what the left wants. As far as outlawing such firearms is concerned, I don't give a shit in your fucking MAGA hat for what you think may or may not be "likely."

Then you said the Constitution "...prevents the government from confiscating or compelling the surrender of personal property without due process." Oh yeah? Fucking really??? Another bullshit lie. The fucked up, obsolete Constitution does not prevent the government from confiscating or compelling the surrender of personal property without due process. Just ask anybody who's been the victim of a law enforcement drug bust where their personal property was was confiscated and/or surrendered without due process. Just ask anybody who's bank accounts were frozen, who's funds in those accounts were seized, who's total net worth was seized, and made unavailable to them without due process. It's called "civil forfeiture, civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture" a process in which law enforcement officers take assets from people who are suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with any wrongdoing. So...quit your fucking lying you fucking ignoramus.

Grow the fuck up, Mikey. Take responsibility for the lying shit you spew forth from your festering piehole day after day on this forum. I would suggest you just go the fuck away, however we need you here, spewing this lying-ass bullshit, to remind us of exactly what we are dealing with in this country...an electorate where 46% of the voters will happily vote for a sexual assault perp, sociopathic grifter, violator of the Espionage Act, common criminal, a third fucking time, because they're racists, or they figure there's something in it for them financially. My fellow Americans...my ass.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Bullshit, lying wanker. You said "nicotine causes far more deaths than alcohol." Fucking lie. So don't start your sniveling and whining when you get caught out spewing lies on this forum. I didn't misconstrue anything, you stuck your head up your own ass.





Bullshit, lying wanker. You said "Besides, I thought the left wanted more gun laws, not less." All I said in my response was, I do not want more gun laws. And I went on to explain what single gun law I want. Your statement is a fucking lie. Most real, honest, and dedicated progressives want a single gun law...the outlawing of handguns and semi-automatic war weapons. So you fucking lie about what the left wants. As far as outlawing such firearms is concerned, I don't give a shit in your fucking MAGA hat for what you think may or may not be "likely."

Then you said the Constitution "...prevents the government from confiscating or compelling the surrender of personal property without due process." Oh yeah? Fucking really??? Another bullshit lie. The fucked up, obsolete Constitution does not prevent the government from confiscating or compelling the surrender of personal property without due process. Just ask anybody who's been the victim of a law enforcement drug bust where their personal property was was confiscated and/or surrendered without due process. Just ask anybody who's bank accounts were frozen, who's funds in those accounts were seized, who's total net worth was seized, and made unavailable to them without due process. It's called "civil forfeiture, civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture" a process in which law enforcement officers take assets from people who are suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with any wrongdoing. So...quit your fucking lying you fucking ignoramus.

Grow the fuck up, Mikey. Take responsibility for the lying shit you spew forth from your festering piehole day after day on this forum. I would suggest you just go the fuck away, however we need you here, spewing this lying-ass bullshit, to remind us of exactly what we are dealing with in this country...an electorate where 46% of the voters will happily vote for a sexual assault perp, sociopathic grifter, violator of the Espionage Act, common criminal, a third fucking time, because they're racists, or they figure there's something in it for them financially. My fellow Americans...my ass.

You're clueless if you're comparing the seizure of evidence in a drug bust to the government seizure of personal property in the absence of criminal activity. But hey, rant on my toxic friend.