Trump Disgraces America Every Day

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Orange Shitstain went full authoritarian in his latest Fox News interview
Asshole's conspiracy theory about a plane full of “thugs” is exactly what a dictator would say.

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/2141020...ne-thugs-biden

Baloney. Kudos for finding an excuse to use the word "authoritarian" against a president that watches Democrat run American cities burn and has offered to help, but only if they ask for it.

Meanwhile, you don't need Vox to tell you what happened. Watch the interview (in two parts) yourself. make up your own mind. Here's part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7mDddUjZx8

And the part at 6:43 puts all the blame on the Democrats - in their own words.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

I was going to respond to a post or two here and realized there is no point. So I'll just use your post as a springboard.

And the challenge is this: I agree with all of the generic remarks they are saying because they are all projection. i.e. they are describing the left in their insults to conservatives, Trump and Trump supporters. There is really no need to respond to that tripe other than to call it out for what it is.

"I know you are but what am I?"
Again??? (Sigh)

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

"I know you are but what am I?"
Again??? (Sigh)

In a way, yes. When a dalphin calls a shark a mammal for the thousandth time, what else can the shark really say?

Sometimes that is the appropriate response. Though adults don't say it that way.

[Pio1980]

So, what am I to think about a ruthless xenophobic populist demagogue who follows the Hitlerian playbook to the letter, to include running on a false choice between autocratic authoritarianism vs social-ism, and a fundamentally decent candidate who follows the rules and norms of civilized societies and proposes supporting a credible representation of the interests of the entire country?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Feh. We don't have ethical rot eating away at democracy. We have demolition charges starting to go off.

Our politics are going third world and Boot is still trying to think up 1st world solutions.

Third world solutions?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

So, what am I to think about a ruthless xenophobic populist demagogue who follows the Hitlerian playbook to the letter, to include running on a false choice between autocratic authoritarianism vs social-ism, and a fundamentally decent candidate who follows the rules and norms of civilized societies and proposes supporting a credible representation of the interests of the entire country?

Regarding the first part, his term ended in 2016. Regarding the second, Are you talking about this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W__2X0Cac1E

If I'm going for a candidate that is a representative of "the interests of the entire country", I'm going to go for the "all lives matter" over "[insert favorite race, sex or creed here] lives matter candidate.

That one is really a no brainer.

But opinions vary.

[donquixote99]

I am willing to take Wang's word that he's not a 'programned' follower bonded to Trump. Some are, some aren't. Was reading an analysis that says for many Trump supporters, it transactional. They are for Trump because he delivers policy they like. It may be appointing anti-abortion judges, or being tough (or purposefully cruel) to immigrants, or tax cuts (big donors taken care of), or anti-black/pro-police stuff. Point is, if he delivers on your hot button, that's more important to you than Trump's vulgarity, dishonesty, and criminality. Indeed, you may see vice as a virtue if it gets you the thing you want. Trump's goal is to get a big enough coalition of people who accept his faults as necessary evils but want to keep getting what he gives them.

And then there are people who are paid money to support him. That's transactional too.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Third world solutions?

2nd world anyway. As I said, we may wind up needing something like Ukraine's 2017 revolution. Not having a land border with Russia will be a big advantage.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I am willing to take Wang's word that he's not a 'programned' follower bonded to Trump. Some are, some aren't. Was reading an analysis that says for many Trump supporters, it transactional. They are for Trump because he delivers policy they like. It may be appointing anti-abortion judges, or being tough (or purposefully cruel) to immigrants, or tax cuts (big donors taken care of), or anti-black/pro-police stuff. Point is, if he delivers on your hot button, that's more important to you than Trump's vulgarity, dishonesty, and criminality. Indeed, you may see vice as a virtue if it gets you the thing you want. Trump's goal is to get a big enough coalition of people who accept his faults as necessary evils but want to keep getting what he gives them.

And then there are people who are paid money to support him. That's transactional too.

I like how you just slipped that "anti-black" canard in there, thinking nobody would notice.

Baloney. He's actually done more for Blacks than Obama did.

https://www.newsmax.com/jackbrewer/t.../12/id/924217/
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opin...tally-compared
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2020/01...ter-than-obama

Etc.

Calling Trump racist is comical.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Regarding the first part, his term ended in 2016. Regarding the second, Are you talking about this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W__2X0Cac1E

If I'm going for a candidate that is a representative of "the interests of the entire country", I'm going to go for the "all lives matter" over "[insert favorite race, sex or creed here] lives matter candidate.

That one is really a no brainer.

But opinions vary.

The first is truly delusional, the second a deflection from the core grievance.