Misogynistic lefty hates Powerful Women

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Obama told one lie (though he may have believed it to be largely true).

Funniest....or stupidest...post of the day. Actually he told two lies (in this case, and not to mention the host of other whoppers on other topics), that other being that if you like your plan you can keep it.

And just to help you out a bit here - not to rehash the ACA debate maybe help you refresh your failing memory:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/o...ce-f8C11484394

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”


Only "one lie". LOL!! You're a schill.

[icenine]

Meanwhile back at ranch Trump and Ryan are about to take an axe to the tax deductions on the medical saving accounts Whell likes.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Funniest....or stupidest...post of the day. Actually he told two lies (in this case, and not to mention the host of other whoppers on other topics), that other being that if you like your plan you can keep it.

And just to help you out a bit here - not to rehash the ACA debate maybe help you refresh your failing memory:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/o...ce-f8C11484394

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”


Only "one lie". LOL!! You're a schill.

12 million of 325 million Americans get their insurance through Obamacare exchanges (and 10 million of those received subsidies for their premiums). So, if half of them had to change their plans (many for the better, BTW, since Obamacare set minimum in terms of policies), it means that less than 2% were forced to change their plans. In exchange for <2% having to change their plans (often for the better), the uninsured rate went down from 18.2% in 2010 to 10.5% by 2015, providing ~20 million previously uninsured Americans with health insurance. Personally, I don't know a single person who was forced to change plans or doctors by virtue of Obamacare and I bet the vast majority of Americans don't either.

So, Obama's statement was ~98% true, a record Trump has not achieved on a single day of his Presidency (he averages ~5 lies a day, including one in which he said it would be easy for him to pass a health plan that would be better, cost less and cover everybody. Amazingly, you believed GOP rhetoric about having such a plan.) Lost in your ridiculous argument is the fact that most (of the very few) people whose plans were changed by Obamacare had plans that changed for the better. And I'm the shill?

[bobabode]

Poor Whell. Exposed and embarrassed as an empty barrel, again.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

12 million of 325 million Americans get their insurance through Obamacare exchanges (and 10 million of those received subsidies for their premiums). So, if half of them had to change their plans (many for the better, BTW, since Obamacare set minimum in terms of policies), it means that less than 2% were forced to change their plans. In exchange for <2% having to change their plans (often for the better), the uninsured rate went down from 18.2% in 2010 to 10.5% by 2015, providing ~20 million previously uninsured Americans with health insurance. Personally, I don't know a single person who was forced to change plans or doctors by virtue of Obamacare and I bet the vast majority of Americans don't either.

So, Obama's statement was ~98% true, a record Trump has not achieved on a single day of his Presidency (he averages ~5 lies a day, including one in which he said it would be easy for him to pass a health plan that would be better, cost less and cover everybody. Amazingly, you believed GOP rhetoric about having such a plan. Lost in your whole ridiculous argument is the fact that most (of the very few) people whose plans were changed by Obamacare had plans that changed for the better. And I'm the shill?

Yup, you are still the shill. FYI, for the 2017 plan year, the number of insured via the exchanges is just over 9 million, not 12 million. But your numbers above dom't count the total number of insured in the individual market whose coverage of choice was cancelled because that coverage didn't meet MEC standards. The number was about 5 million in 2014.

You also had about 60 million insured by small employers - employers with under 50 employees - whose plans were no longer available starting in 2014 when Obamacare's small group insurance rules took effect. Many of those plans increased in price for employees because those plans were age banded. Even though the plans cost more, many of those employees priced out of their employer plans didn't qualify for a subsidy via the exchange since their employer offered coverage.

Hope you enjoy living in Schillville.

[Rajoo]

whell, shouldn't you be talking to yourself instead of preaching morals here?
The world of Trump is crumbling, get a grip and blame Manafort, Flynn, Kushner, Putin, Page, Papadapoulos, et al.

And the good news is that the list continues to grow. I am sure Donnie Jr is caught in the web too, he just doesn't know it yet.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

Meanwhile back at ranch Trump and Ryan are about to take an axe to the tax deductions on the medical saving accounts Whell likes.

Whell will figure out some way to blame it on Obama or Hillary or both. It makes you wonder when are all these Trump supporting dupes going to wake up and smell graft and corruption?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Yup, you are still the shill. FYI, for the 2017 plan year, the number of insured via the exchanges is just over 9 million, not 12 million. But your numbers above dom't count the total number of insured in the individual market whose coverage of choice was cancelled because that coverage didn't meet MEC standards. The number was about 5 million in 2014.

You also had about 60 million insured by small employers - employers with under 50 employees - whose plans were no longer available starting in 2014 when Obamacare's small group insurance rules took effect. Many of those plans increased in price for employees because those plans were age banded. Even though the plans cost more, many of those employees priced out of their employer plans didn't qualify for a subsidy via the exchange since their employer offered coverage.

Hope you enjoy living in Schillville.

What's this have to do with Trump being the lyingest sack of shit who ever lived? As for the merits and faults of Obamacare, why is that the GOP doesn't have anything whatsoever to offer in terms of replacement? You were convinced that they had a viable plan, despite all evidence to the contrary.

What you characterize as Obama's Big Lie is actually a largely-realized policy objective for Obamacare (GOP sabotage notwithstanding), whereas Trump/GOP lies on the subject of health care have been complete, total and numerous. Life in gullible WhellWorld must suck bigly.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What's this have to do with Trump being the lyingest sack of shit who ever lived? As for the merits and faults of Obamacare, why is that the GOP doesn't have anything whatsoever to offer in terms of replacement? You were convinced that they did, despite all evidence to the contrary. Life in WhellWorld must suck bigly.

1,120 lies have been counted. No one is counting anymore since no one expects him not to lie. That' how you fight to get to the bottom of the approval scale, and all this before a full year.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

Meanwhile back at ranch Trump and Ryan are about to take an axe to the tax deductions on the medical saving accounts Whell likes.

Yeah, but he "proved" that Obama lied so, THERE! Ha, Ha..... He really showed US where the bear shits.