Polls - Clinton Fading

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Oerets

New 538 odds results post Conventions..... 52.8 HRC / 47.1 Siberian Candidate

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/


Barney

That's a 1% drop for Clinton since yesterday which was a 1% improvement from the day before. In other words, you can drive yourself crazy trying to follow these things too closely.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Indeed. I used to have health care. Now I can't afford it. the doctor charges $500.00 for a check up now, and my mandatory $8,000 a year insurance policy covers NONE of it. The dems passed a health care bill that pretty much gave away the store (my store) to the insurance companies. I know who the democrats represent and it isn't me.

I hear you.

All I got out of Obummercare was higher premiums.

I now pay over a grand a month to cover my wife and myself and that's with me on Medicare. Plus I still have copays and deductibles. That comes to between 20 and 25% of our total income. So Fuck Obummercare. It's not as advertised.

I saw in one of your other posts that you heard Obama lie for the first time during this convention.

Well, as far as I am concerned just about everything that came out of his mouth about his healthcare reform was a lie. And I voted for him twice.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I hear you.

All I got out of Obummercare was higher premiums.

I now pay over a grand a month to cover my wife and myself and that's with me on Medicare. Plus I still have copays and deductibles. That comes to between 20 and 25% of our total income. So Fuck Obummercare. It's not as advertised.

I saw in one of your other posts that you heard Obama lie for the first time during this convention.

Well, as far as I am concerned just about everything that came out of his mouth about his healthcare reform was a lie. And I voted for him twice.

He tried but the insurance companies are powerful. They stiff both doctors and patients.

He played a game with Immigration.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I hear you.

All I got out of Obummercare was higher premiums.

I now pay over a grand a month to cover my wife and myself and that's with me on Medicare. Plus I still have copays and deductibles. That comes to between 20 and 25% of our total income. So Fuck Obummercare. It's not as advertised.

I saw in one of your other posts that you heard Obama lie for the first time during this convention.

Well, as far as I am concerned just about everything that came out of his mouth about his healthcare reform was a lie. And I voted for him twice.

ACA is American Fascism in action.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by nailer

ACA is American Fascism in action.

You obviously have absolutely no clue what Fascism is.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You obviously have absolutely no clue what Fascism is.

They're not the same thing. Just like Trump's not another Hitler.

FWIW, the ACA is a federal program designed to suck money out of people's pockets by requiring them to participate in a grossly overpriced medical system. The primary beneficiaries being the upper and upper middle class. The ACA is a wealth transfer program.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

They're not the same thing. Just like Trump's not another Hitler.

FWIW, the ACA is a federal program designed to suck money out of people's pockets by requiring them to participate in a grossly overpriced medical system. The primary beneficiaries being the upper and upper middle class. The ACA is a wealth transfer program.

It's the fact that the ACA mandates that citizens buy a product (health insurance) from a business cartel is what suggests fascism but the argument is facile.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

It's the fact that the ACA mandates that citizens buy a product (health insurance) from an business cartel is what suggests fascism but the argument is facile.

Indeed, about as facile as saying car insurance or homeowner's insurance is fascism.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Indeed, about as facile as saying car insurance or homeowner's insurance is fascism.

People do.

[Oerets]

If any think the ACA is the bill the President or Dems in all reality would of enacted if not feeling the misguided urge to please the GOP and insurance/pharma. Then you either swallowed the hook to the gills put forth by the opposition or not paying attention at all.

Single payer Medicare for all paid out of payroll taxes was all the rage by the left. But they figured small baby steps till it is a reality. Get it started and fix along the way.


Until some sort of oversight on charges verses profit is implemented, OMG! The milking will continue.

As a side note one of my Republican relatives love the ACA. They are saving 1K a month since the implication. Where another who hates the ACA will not even check to see if they can save money. Not even wanting to see if they qualify for discounts, so they tell me.

Barney