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05-23-2016, 11:25 AM
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Officer in Freddie Gray Case Acquitted On All Charges
There was no jury in the case. This was a 100% judge's decision. This stinks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us...t-verdict.html
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05-23-2016, 11:56 AM
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I think I agree. From the story:
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“That’s a separate issue,” answered Judge Williams, who repeatedly pressed prosecutors on whether they believed that every arrest made without probable cause amounted to a crime.
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If the police were to arrest the judge, handling him as they are seen to handle Freddie Gray, without probable cause, I think he'd be very sure it was a crime.
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05-23-2016, 12:36 PM
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This must stop. It's cases like this that legitimize the 2nd amendment. When governments create us against them scenarios.
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05-23-2016, 01:04 PM
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There was no special treatment here, if that's what you mean. Anyone has the right to waive their trial by jury.
If you mean you don't like the verdict because it doesn't synch with your political bias, I guess I'd implore you not to lose faith. There are still four cops left that might yet be grist for your mill. From the NYT story:
Charges were filed too quickly, he said. adding that prosecutors should have spent more time bolstering cases against one or two officers who may have been most culpable. “Someone dying doesn’t always make it a crime,” Mr. Moskos said. “The prosecutors are trying to find social justice, but these are trials of individual cops.”
There's also the pending civil rights investigation.
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05-23-2016, 01:48 PM
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There was no special treatment here, if that's what you mean. Anyone has the right to waive their trial by jury.
If you mean you don't like the verdict because it doesn't synch with your political bias, I guess I'd implore you not to lose faith. There are still four cops left that might yet be grist for your mill. From the NYT story:
Charges were filed too quickly, he said. adding that prosecutors should have spent more time bolstering cases against one or two officers who may have been most culpable. “Someone dying doesn’t always make it a crime,” Mr. Moskos said. “The prosecutors are trying to find social justice, but these are trials of individual cops.”
There's also the pending civil rights investigation.
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Why do you suppose Nero waived his right to a jury? He knew he'd be convicted unless the verdict was rendered by an insider. The other 4 will waive their right to a jury too and they will all walk unless the police decide they need to toss one of them to the wolves. None will serve a day.
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05-23-2016, 01:51 PM
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Why do you suppose Nero waived his right to a jury? He knew he'd be convicted unless the verdict was rendered by an insider. The other 4 will waive their right to a jury too and they will all walk unless the police decide they need to toss one of them to the wolves. None will serve a day.
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Whatever. It still remains their right, as it is yours, to select trial by judge or jury.
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05-23-2016, 01:52 PM
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Whatever. It still remains their right, as it is yours, to select trial by judge or jury.
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If I were a cop, I would.
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05-23-2016, 01:54 PM
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If I were a cop, I would.
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As would be your right.
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05-23-2016, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Boreas
Why do you suppose Nero waived his right to a jury? He knew he'd be convicted unless the verdict was rendered by an insider. The other 4 will waive their right to a jury too and they will all walk unless the police decide they need to toss one of them to the wolves. None will serve a day.
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Ah, so the Judge is an "insider"? The police conspiracy now includes moles within the judiciary?
By "the wolves", I guess you're referring to someone like this:
Despite the acquittal, Tessa Hill-Aston, president of the Baltimore city branch of the NAACP, said she remained hopeful that someone would eventually be held responsible for Mr. Gray’s death.
“I’m thankful we’re even in court, that charges were brought,’ she said. “But now we’ve got to come out with something.”
I guess by "something", she means someone's hide, guilt or innocence not withstanding.
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05-23-2016, 02:17 PM
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He knew he'd be convicted unless the verdict was rendered by an insider.
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Here's a profile on your "insider", by the way:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...901-story.html
Career highlights: Led court's criminal division from 2012 until January. Chaired Criminal Justice Coordinating Council for Baltimore, 2012-2014. Special litigation counsel for the civil rights division of the U.S. Justice Department, 2002-2005. Trial attorney in the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice, 1997-2002. Assistant state's attorney in Baltimore, 1989-1997
His resume reads like someone whom the prosecution would have favored in this case, since this trial was as much about "social justice" as alleged criminality.
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