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04-19-2016, 11:20 AM
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Too bad you are so clueless or you might have seen more.
It's much harder to see how to be a part of the solution when you are busy complaining.
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Thank you for your input.
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04-19-2016, 11:22 AM
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Thank you for your input. 
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You are welcome.
Now get to work writing that next big piece of legislation!! 😉
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04-19-2016, 11:26 AM
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Anybody can help craft legislation once they know how. Don't have to be a lobbyist.
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This is the way I see it. It's possible that a single person or even a citizen group can try and help with legislation. But it's a full time job, I have a family member who I am very close to doing it in DC for the tech secctor. Who can afford to do this full time voluntarily, or better yet if you can be paid handsomely for it. No one walks away from easy money. Once one can game the system at the federal level, who cares what happens at the state and local level? How do you think Debbie 'What's her name' gamed the primary process for your hero Hillary?
Just one example to wake you up from your dream world.
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"People on the Hill don't stay as long," he says. "You don't get as good people on the Hill. The expertise on policy making more and more has moved to the private sector, and it's moved to represent those organizations and companies who can afford to pay for it, which generally isn't you and me. It's big banks and Big Oil and big companies."
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When Lobbyists Literally Write The Bill
When Lobbyists Literally Write The Bill
Aren't we all happy for Bush and Obama for bailing out the big banks?
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04-19-2016, 11:28 AM
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It is a primary set up by both political parties NOT a general election so the primary rules are set by those who think said rules will benefit their respective candidates the best.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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04-19-2016, 11:34 AM
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This is the way I see it. It's possible that a single person or even a citizen group can try and help with legislation. But it's a full time job, I have a family member who I am very close to doing it in DC for the tech secctor. Who can afford to do this full time voluntarily, or better yet if you can be paid handsomely for it. No one walks away from easy money. Once one can game the system at the federal level, who cares what happens at the state and local level? How do you think Debbie 'What's her name' gamed the primary process for your hero Hillary?
Just one example to wake you up from your dream world.
When Lobbyists Literally Write The Bill
When Lobbyists Literally Write The Bill
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I'm not denying that big bucks and lobbyists have legislative power.
But too many underestimate the legislative power of the average citizen.
You are right that it can be a full time job.
By the way.... I never stated Hilary is my hero.
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04-19-2016, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by barbara
I'm not denying that big bucks and lobbyists have legislative power.
But too many underestimate the legislative power of the average citizen.
You are right that it can be a full time job.
By the way.... I never stated Hilary is my hero.
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I know, but I am doing it for you so that you will have deniability when Bernie wins the nomination.
Let's hope she had the good sense to vote for Bernie. Bill's posture seems to indicate he voted for Hills.
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04-19-2016, 11:41 AM
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It is a primary set up by both political parties NOT a general election so the primary rules are set by those who think said rules will benefit their respective candidates the best.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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That would be fine if this was for electing the President of the local Rotary Club.
But that's not the case.
These results of these primary elections will have impact on everybody's life.
No one should be shut out.
Here's another consideration for you.
Of these three million voters that are shut out, how many do you think wanted to vote for Bernie? And how many of them will want to vote for Hillary in November after being treated this way?
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04-19-2016, 11:44 AM
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I know, but I am doing it for you so that you will have deniability when Bernie wins the nomination.
Let's hope she had the good sense to vote for Bernie. Bill's posture seems to indicate he voted for Hills. 
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It seems to me...... And maybe I'm wrong.... That some folks here expect me to be a Hilary supporter because I'm female.
I like Hilary. I also like Bernie. In fact..... I support more of Bernie's ideas than Hilary's but I'm also aware that in the current political climate, Bernie won't be able to get a lot of his ideas off the ground.
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04-19-2016, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad
That would be fine if this was for electing the President of the local Rotary Club.
But that's not the case.
These results of these primary elections will have impact on everybody's life.
No one should be shut out.
Here's another consideration for you.
Of these three million voters that are shut out, how many do you think wanted to vote for Bernie? And how many of them will want to vote for Hillary in November after being treated this way?
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I now believe that Hillary will get the nomination and win the Presidency unless the email fiasco rears it's ugly head. But had the GOP able to put up a credible candidate unlike the most hated contestants Trump or Cruz, she will be toast because most younger Berniacs will not ever vote for Hillary, whereas the Republican base is very reliable and can be counted on to vote against any Democrat in the general election.
Real test will be if the Democrats pick up additional seats in Congress.
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04-19-2016, 11:57 AM
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It seems to me...... And maybe I'm wrong.... That some folks here expect me to be a Hilary supporter because I'm female.
I like Hilary. I also like Bernie. In fact..... I support more of Bernie's ideas than Hilary's but I'm also aware that in the current political climate, Bernie won't be able to get a lot of his ideas off the ground.
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Not really but understandable if it were so. Just that most of my family and friends are Hillary supporters simply because either Bernie is a ' Soshialist', one or two feel he is a commie, but mostly because he is 'not electable' so why bother. I have put you in that last group.
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