Hillary For President

[barbara]

Hilary has done nothing but roar for us to hear?

Those years as First Lady, senator, and Secretary of State don't add up to anything?

I'm not the biggest Hilary fan..... But she does deserve some credit for her political career.

[Boreas]

On Morning Joe this morning Harold Ford, Jr., former congressman from Tennessee, current Merrill Lynch executive and the last chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council all but said that the party would never give the nomination to Bernie, whom he repeatedly called "an avowed soci@list", no matter how well he did in the primaries.

When you hear virtually the same thing from the Republicans regarding Trump, it becomes perfectly clear that the will of the electorate isn't even on the radar of either party. Both are wholly owned subsidiaries of the oligarchy.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Boreas

On Morning Joe this morning Harold Ford, Jr., former congressman from Tennessee, current Merrill Lynch executive and the last chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council all but said that the party would never give the nomination to Bernie, whom he repeatedly called "an avowed soci@list", no matter how well he did in the primaries.

When you hear virtually the same thing from the Republicans regarding Trump, it becomes perfectly clear that the will of the electorate isn't even on the radar of either party. Both are wholly owned subsidiaries of the oligarchy.

That is what has people pissed off.

(Is there an echo in here?)

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by barbara

Hilary has done nothing but roar for us to hear?

Those years as First Lady, senator, and Secretary of State don't add up to anything?

I'm not the biggest Hilary fan..... But she does deserve some credit for her political career.

I had no problem with voting for Hillary if she were the nominee, until the DNC led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz started kneecapping Bernie at every opportunity. Now I'm pissed.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by barbara

Hilary has done nothing but roar for us to hear?

Those years as First Lady, senator, and Secretary of State don't add up to anything?

I'm not the biggest Hilary fan..... But she does deserve some credit for her political career.

What political career?

First term senator from NY where she never lived before and her first ever elected political position is Senator of NY? How did she manage that, talent or fame?

Consolation appointment as Secretary of State after losing to Obama, probably the lowlight of her career? Only thing she will be remembered for is Benghazi. Not that she deserves it, but "it is what it is".

And Ice, this has nothing to do with gender. She is a weak candidate just like Bush III and no amount of her getting propped up is going to change the perception that she is weak IMO, first against Obama in 2008 and now against Sanders. Why is she tied with Bernie in Iowa and NH this late ion the game with the primaries rigged in her favor?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by barbara

Hilary has done nothing but roar for us to hear?

Those years as First Lady, senator, and Secretary of State don't add up to anything?

I'm not the biggest Hilary fan..... But she does deserve some credit for her political career.

Indeed.


Winning her Senate seat in New York was a 'retail politics' thing of beauty. She stumped every county in the Empire State and won it fair and square.

As Secretary of State she rebuilt the fences that that Bush and his cronies had piled up, set fire to and danced around.

I'll take President Obama's assessment of her job performance over rightwing talking points i.e. BENGHAAAAAAZI. She destroyed the best the Repukes could find when she ate Trey Gowdy's lunch and dinner for 11 hours of free campaign advertising.

19 union endorsements representing over 11 million workers and counting.
Planned Parenthood primary endorsement for the first time in over 100 years.
Over 400 endorsements from elected legislators.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Winning her Senate seat in New York was a 'retail politics' thing of beauty. She stumped every county in the Empire State and won it fair and square.

A thing of beauty?

Are you shitin me?

Gore won New York that year by 25 points.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/s...&off=0&elect=0

At the same time that Hillary won her Senate seat by just 12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...New_York,_2000

That means she was minus 13 to Gore's margin.

Less than half.

That's a pretty damned pathetic showing if you ask me.

[Tom Joad]

Now, lets take a look at how Bernie did the same year.

In 2000 Gore won Vermont by 10 points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._Vermont,_2000

But Bernie won his congressional re-election by 50 points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._Vermont,_2000

Now, try and tell me that Hillary is more electable.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I had no problem with voting for Hillary if she were the nominee, until the DNC led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz started kneecapping Bernie at every opportunity. Now I'm pissed.

So, you're backing T'Rump if Bernie doesn't get the nod?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

When you hear virtually the same thing from the Republicans regarding Trump, it becomes perfectly clear that the will of the electorate isn't even on the radar of either party. Both are wholly owned subsidiaries of the oligarchy.

John - brace yourself.

Are you ready? Here it comes....

I wholeheartedly AGREE with you on something. The electorate matters only once every couple of years when the election cycle requires these parasites to come out of their shells and put on a show to get votes. The two party system has become little more than a tenure commission for establishment politicians.

Its a great gig for them really. Some of them come from money, but most certainly find a way to exit office with far more in the bank than they started with. When they leave, they can parachute into a lobbying gig or corporate board membership that pays them well for the access to the D.C. swamp that they provide.

But the will of the electorate and the betterment of the country? Nope, not a factor in their day to day decision-making.