"A stunning victory."

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Since D-Ray made his request for civility you have made at least a half dozen posts containing personal attacks.

You are basically thumbing your nose at him.

I've only reported two of them so far.

It's up to you how this plays out.

What is it you always say?



http://politicalchat.org/showpost.ph...2&postcount=43

When you find a personal attack instead of blatant truth, you might have something.

You're Eddie Haskell.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

When you find a personal attack instead of blatant truth, you might have something.

You're Eddie Haskell.

Maybe you know something I don't,

Maybe you have special privileges here and the rules don't apply to you.

We shall see.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by merrylander

And we can go to the British/French games playing to get the Arabs to fight for them during WW I and Lawrence of Arabia and on and on.

Your putting the cart before the horse here. With Turkey preoccupied with fighting the British, the Hashemite felt the moment was ripe to drive the Turks out of Arabia and attacked Medina. When the British found out about this they sent liaisons, one being T.E. Lawrence, to the Hashemite armies conducting the siege. As a result the Brits and the Hashemite became allies. The direct descendent of the commander of one of these Hashemite armies (IIRC there were three) rules Jordan to this day. The commander of the Hashemite army to which Lawrence was attached ended up as the ruler of Iraq after he was unable to keep the French from taking possession of Syria/Damascus.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Maybe you know something I don't,

Maybe you have special privileges here and the rules don't apply to you.

We shall see.

Eddie Haskell offends?

That's mighty thin skinned and entitled of you...

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Jews are big insiders just check for instance the US, Britain, Russia and right now two Jews, Poroshenko and Kolomoisky (kolomoyski) are fighting over the commanding heights of Ukraine's economy.

Some Jews have money. Some Jews have lots of it...now there's a surprise, eh? Lots of Jews have lots of influence. That doesn't mean shit when we're talking about whether or Jews, or any other ousiders...like Muslims for instance, are included or even accepted or even more...tolerated on a personal level. Walk up to any person on the street, ask them what they think of Jews...IMO if they answered honestly the reaction would be indifference at best, negatively on the average, and a remarkable level of hostility.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Since D-Ray made his request for civility you have made at least a half dozen posts containing personal attacks.

You are basically thumbing your nose at him.

I've only reported two of them so far.

It's up to you how this plays out.

What is it you always say?



http://politicalchat.org/showpost.ph...2&postcount=43

BAM!!! (The excessive exclamation points were to make the required 6 characters.)

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by nailer

Your putting the cart before the horse here. With Turkey preoccupied with fighting the British, the Hashemite felt the moment was ripe to drive the Turks out of Arabia and attacked Medina. When the British found out about this they sent liaisons, one being T.E. Lawrence, to the Hashemite armies conducting the siege. As a result the Brits and the Hashemite became allies. The direct descendent of the commander of one of these Hashemite armies (IIRC there were three) rules Jordan to this day. The commander of the Hashemite army to which Lawrence was attached ended up as the ruler of Iraq after he was unable to keep the French from taking possession of Syria/Damascus.

OK, but there's a little more to it than that. It wasn't just some unilateral French occupation of Syria, it was Sykes-Picot. The Hussain family may have finally ended up ruling Jordan but initially all the Hashemites ended up butt-fucked by Messrs. Sykes and Picot. Abdullah I may have been the "ruler" of Transjordan at the end of WWI, but it was as an "Emir" under the control of the British Mandate until 1946 when Jordan became an independent nation as part of the plan for the partition of Palestine. But long before 1946 the British notion existed and was openly promoted that part of Palestine would, at some point, become a Zionist homeland. Initially Christian Europe thought they could just create a Jew homeland in Africa...the "Uganda Scheme" in the first years of the 1900's. Which didn't quite work out.

My point in making these comments is that European Christians were working on plans to happily arrange for and assist as many Jews as possible to move out of Europe and into the Middle East or Africa. Zionism is not just some Jew racist desire to screw with poor, powerless Arab Muslims in "Judea". It was Europeans more than happy to be rid of as many Jews as possible, long before the Nazis, long before the 1947 partition plan.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by nailer

Your putting the cart before the horse here. With Turkey preoccupied with fighting the British, the Hashemite felt the moment was ripe to drive the Turks out of Arabia and attacked Medina. When the British found out about this they sent liaisons, one being T.E. Lawrence, to the Hashemite armies conducting the siege. As a result the Brits and the Hashemite became allies. The direct descendent of the commander of one of these Hashemite armies (IIRC there were three) rules Jordan to this day. The commander of the Hashemite army to which Lawrence was attached ended up as the ruler of Iraq after he was unable to keep the French from taking possession of Syria/Damascus.

And Balfour rewarded the Hashemites by giving them TransJordan as he liked to call it. He also cozyed up to the French by awarding them the Golan Heights.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Perhaps but the converse isn't really true, is it? Israel may be Jews but Jews aren't Israel. Many Jews identify with the countries they live in. The reaction among European Jews to Netanyahu's recent "invitation" is proof of that. So is the phenomenon of Israeli Jews returning to their European roots.



There's Babylon, of course, but that's more about territorial conquest than anti-Semitism. And, after the Persians conquered the Babylonians, Cyrus the Great allowed the Jews to go home and assisted them, as did his son and successor Darius the Great, in rebuilding the Temple.

There was even a Jewish Persian queen, Esther. (Luckily for the Jews!)

There's also Casimir the Great of Poland who gave extended an open invitation to the Jews when they were expelled from much of the rest of Europe (because they caused The Plague). He gave them full religious rights and forbade their persecution.

So, yes, the Jews (to put it mildly) have had their enemies but they have also had their benefactors. What annoys me is that many Jews omit the latter from their narrative.

So who said everybody hates the Jews? Tom Lehrer, not me. My contention is, and has always been, that there is an enormous, pretty much world-wide animosity toward Jews. And that it's a significant majority of non-Jews world-wide who carry fear and anxiety of Jews, and/or animosity and hate toward Jews. So they've had friends and/or benefactors here and there...big picture...so what?

Originally Posted by Boreas

This, to a large degree, is self-imposed.

But this is the comment that interests me most. Why would you say this? What's your evidence for this?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

But this is the comment that interests me most. Why would you say this? What's your evidence for this?

An understood command to avoid the "Goyim".

The "Goyim" is inferior and association will detract from your Jewishness.