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Old 11-30-2014, 02:15 PM
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It certainly doesn't seem to matter to you, slinging accusations of KKK membership at both Wilson and his wife. Hell, Sheltie already accused me of being KKK.



Uh, no.

Get a room, guys.
Nope...I won't say that about ya...maybe a badgelicker ...but that's it for now.....

Wilson did not give statement right away nor was evidence collected or preserved....that right there should be enough for ya to question him.....badgelicker....
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Old 11-30-2014, 02:34 PM
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No Finnbow, I noted that your views are in lockstep with KKK member views in the Brown/wilson dustup, and noted that is not a good place to be comfortable with.

However, you seem to be quite comfortable, which is your choice. You chose to believe I said you are a KKK member. Well, that's your choice too.
At this point, my affiliation with or sympathy with the KKK is substantiated about as much as your assertions about Wilson's. You're feckin' hopeless.
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Old 11-30-2014, 03:45 PM
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Hey Finn, Alan said you weren't a member of the TAK, but since you said he is an unreliable source, we kinda are between a rock and a hard spot.
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Old 11-30-2014, 04:03 PM
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Hey Finn, Alan said you weren't a member of the TAK, but since you said he is an unreliable source, we kinda are between a rock and a hard spot.
There you go, trying to prove a negative again. Par for the course. Neither you nor Rex have bothered to contribute one fact to the debate. I guess I'll give you credit for being passionately clueless.
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Old 11-30-2014, 04:27 PM
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Rex and I are not alone in this regard, Finnbow. We have police officers, lawyers, lawyers who practice as assistant DAs, and at least a couple police chiefs who share our concerns. We all are unhappy with the manner this has gone down, cloaked in a opaque veil of justice. And we have provided numerous facts about the discussion.

You just choose to blithely blather.

Fact =Brown's friend is not an accomplice to a felon
Fact =the medical examiner violated protocol and did not take photos
Fact =no one processed Wilson's gun for fingerprints
Fact = Wilson stated he scrubbed the blood off his hands due to fears about AIDS and STDs, but he has not yet gone to a hospital for any testing
Fact = Wilson violated state and county procedures for how to handle evidence, how to leave the scene, how to participate in interviews, etc
Fact =the scene investigation was so chaotic that zero blood was found between the Tahoe and where Wilson stopped, and then came back.
Fact =I stated that Brown fled over 130 feet from the Tahoe, and Wilson raced after him. Wilson did not kill him at his Tahoe.
Fact = I noted that Chief Jackson stated that Wilson did not Brown due to the robbery.
Fact =I stated that Wilson would never serve another day in a Ferguson uniform. He just resigned.
Fact =I stated that Ferguson would burn, and it did.

It looks like I have come up with any number of these inconvenient truths, Finnbow. There are more forthcoming, which I am sure thrills you no end.

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Old 11-30-2014, 04:42 PM
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Rex and I are not alone in this regard, Finnbow. We have police officers, lawyers, lawyers who practice as assistant DAs, and at least a couple police chiefs who share our concerns. We all are unhappy with the manner this has gone down, cloaked in a opaque veil of justice.
You're not gonna win too many converts/listeners by calling people bigots, racists and KKK admirers. The situation in Ferguson sounds a lot like the situation in Prince George's County, MD.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...or-110707.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...06.coates.html

PG County may have one of the longest histories of "blue on black" police misconduct/brutality in the country. I'm all too familiar with this kind of stuff (New Orleans once had an absolutely awful reputation in this regard too). The investigation of the shooting in Ferguson seems comparatively "above board" compared to a number of instances in PG County.

It's been my contention all along that this sort of stuff happens all too frequently across the country, but that activists trying to address it discredit their own case when they make a "poster child" out of an apparent serial thug like Michael Brown.
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Old 11-30-2014, 04:45 PM
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Finnbow, why don't we just stay with Ferguson? One argument is enough here.
First you call me names, then when you lose the upper hand, you attempt to deflect.

This thread is about Darren Wilson, and Ferguson. You are more than welcome to start another thread about MD.

And these are the EXACT words I wrote. "I would rather deal with bigots and racists that are up front about it, than folks who have the civil facade and the right code words down, but in the end default to a similar decision and present a closed mind to anything outside their paradigms."
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Old 11-30-2014, 04:59 PM
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Finnbow, why don't we just stay with Ferguson? One argument is enough here.
First you call me names, then when you lose the upper hand, you attempt to deflect.

This thread is about Darren Wilson, and Ferguson. You are more than welcome to start another thread about MD.

And these are the EXACT words I wrote. "I would rather deal with bigots and racists that are up front about it, than folks who have the civil facade and the right code words down, but in the end default to a similar decision and present a closed mind to anything outside their paradigms."
I see Reverend Al is there to help you folks sort things out. Good luck. With friends like that ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...e-to-ferguson/
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Old 11-30-2014, 05:18 PM
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Finn, a lot of what Al says is spot on. If we just get stuck at Brown, and don't make corrections on BOTH sides, we will never get anywhere. Rex and I are parents, and what we see are two relative kids who both got things wrong. Both Wilson and Brown were dumb as rocks at times in their confrontation.

Brown did some stupid things that would put him behind bars for a while.

Wilson killed someone he did not need to kill.

But if we don't correct our police force MO so that proportional response is the norm, rather than the exception, then we will continue to excel at killing blacks at a level 27 times more than whites, by cop. And we will have numerous deaths at the margins where ineffectual grand juries and dismotivated prosecutors will avoid public justice.

If we don't strive to create equal access to opportunity, education, and safe streets, we fail.

If we have a majority of whites in the country who have never eaten dinner at a black family dinner table, who will never attend a black church worship service, who have never set foot on a historical black college campus, we fail.

If you travel around the world, but never step outside your comfort zone, then sitting in your easy chair will be just as rewarding.
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Old 11-30-2014, 05:25 PM
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Brown was an entitled thug, fresh off robbery, who placed the life of an officer in immediate danger.
How so? The so-called "beating" Wilson received that produced barely discernable marks on his face?

And, there is that word again; "entitled"....

Why is that word being interjected into damn near every sentence regarding this case?

"entitled thug"

"entitlement violence"

"mobs of entitled rioters and looters"

"Entitled" to what?

I smell a big fucking rat behind this. Where are we going with it?

Think about that fellas.

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