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Old 11-25-2014, 08:34 PM
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That's one of your better points...
Indeed.

No offense intended cause I like and respect you both but would you two alphas kind of back burner the Hatfield and McCoy stuff?

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Old 11-25-2014, 08:40 PM
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Who cares whether or not Ezra thinks the story is "unbelievable" or not? Was Ezra on the Grand Jury where he could listen to all the evidence presented? No? Then who cares?
Bingo.
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Old 11-25-2014, 08:42 PM
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A jury cleared OJ.

A jury cleared Zimmerman

A jury cleared Wilson.

I suspect strongly that one of those outraged you and the other two you are fine with.
I'm not particularly outraged by any of them. I prefer to have a criminal justice system where the standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. That means that some will get off, and those who can afford a top flight legal team are more likely to get off, but it also makes it slightly more difficult to get railroaded. Our criminal justice system is far from perfect, but I think we are a long way from show trials and star chambers.

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Old 11-25-2014, 10:16 PM
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A jury cleared OJ.

A jury cleared Zimmerman

A jury cleared Wilson.

I suspect strongly that one of those outraged you and the other two you are fine with.
You do understand the difference between a jury and a grand jury, right? Well, based on your post, I guess not.
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Old 11-25-2014, 10:23 PM
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In a literal sense, he is correct though I do not know where he is going with it.
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Old 11-25-2014, 10:38 PM
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You do understand the difference between a jury and a grand jury, right? Well, based on your post, I guess not.
You're just trying to deflect.

The difference is meaningless with regard to the point I am making.
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Old 11-25-2014, 10:45 PM
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In a literal sense, he is correct though I do not know where he is going with it.
Now I do.
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Old 11-26-2014, 02:35 AM
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Old 11-26-2014, 06:43 AM
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You do understand the difference between a jury and a grand jury, right? Well, based on your post, I guess not.
Having served on a jury I would simply like to point out that both kinds are composed of human beings and apart from the Pope we are not infallible. Humans have been known to screw up on occasion.
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:41 AM
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Lawyered up, to the nth degree.

It is no coincidence that at every possible point where Wilson could insert doubt, doubt was inserted.
I agree very much with this observation. In this regard, I thought the thing departed blatantly from credibility when he described, supposedly in the middle of the fight in the car, a decision-making process in which he goes-through and considers each each non-lethal weapon available to him, elaborating reasons to reject each one, before deciding to draw his gun.

He inserted doubt all right, just not the kind his lawyers intended. Incredible concoctions like this leave one feeling unable to rely on this testimony on any point, without corroboration. So I cannot say the later testimony that Brown 'charged' him is decisive, let alone the report that he threateningly reached under his shirt at his waistband when doing so.

I did note that one of the jurors asked my question: why did Brown stop fleeing and turn around? Wilson had no explanation. One wishes he were a defense witness in a trial, subject to cross-examination by a DA who is seeking to convict.

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