"Here's How You Get Ebola"

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

So cite an example. AIDS has been around a long time now, I'm sure you can find a case to support your position.
Why is everyone wearing full hazmat gear to treat Ebola, but they don't with AIDS? Why do we need to cremate remains of ebola victims, but not with AIDS victims? Why don't they go in and douse bleach all over the homes of AIDS victims, and wrap their cars up in plastic?

Who can say why people behave in the way they do? Some people walk around with half a roll of aluminum foil stuffed into their hats to protect their brains from alien space rays.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and...ed-through-air

Right now the science says the Ebola virus can only be transmitted through an exchange of bodily fluids. That's how AIDS is transmitted. Perhaps further scientific investigation will show that it's a virus that is somehow more opportunistic than AIDS and more severe precautions are required. But that's not the case now. I'm sure nobody wants to take a chance. In the early days of the spread of AIDS, there were thousands of healthcare workers that refused to provide care to HIV/AIDS patients.

The outbreak of Ebola that has become a humanitarian crisis in West Africa finally reached the U.S. last week when a patient in Dallas, Texas was diagnosed with the virus. Ebola is not an airborne disease and is only transmitted through close contact with bodily fluids like saliva, feces and urine, but that hasn’t stopped a minor panic from setting in now that it has reached American shores. Global health experts are concerned that now, in the U.S., stigmatization of people from the three most affected countries in the region — Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia — could follow. (Newsweek October 5, 2014)

Universal precautions are used when treating patients with non-airborne transmitted viruses. People are bleaching their homes and their dogs and their chickens because they don't understand that once outside the body, viruses are wimpy little creatures that are barely alive at all.

The good news is that Ebola is not spread in the air. You get it from direct contact with an infected person's bodily fluids such as blood, sweat, vomit, or feces. So for developed countries that's encouraging because the Ebola virus can be killed simply with soap and warm water.

With that in mind, one wonders how more than 1,000 people have contracted it. The answer is, they don't wash their hands. They don't even wear gloves in hospitals, oftentimes, wear protective masks, or even use disinfectant and clean needles!

They touch - with their bare hands - dead people who haven't even been washed, who've died from Ebola, at funerals.

AIDS workers are serious about following universal precautions and they don't get AIDS unless there's an accident. A needle prick through a surgical glove will do it.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Who can say why people behave in the way they do? Some people walk around with half a roll of aluminum foil stuffed into their hats to protect their brains from alien space rays.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and...ed-through-air

Right now the science says the Ebola virus can only be transmitted through an exchange of bodily fluids. That's how AIDS is transmitted. Perhaps further scientific investigation will show that it's a virus that is somehow more opportunistic than AIDS and more severe precautions are required. But that's not the case now. I'm sure nobody wants to take a chance. In the early days of the spread of AIDS, there were thousands of healthcare workers that refused to provide care to HIV/AIDS patients.



Universal precautions are used when treating patients with non-airborne transmitted viruses. People are bleaching their homes and their dogs and their chickens because they don't understand that once outside the body, viruses are wimpy little creatures that are barely alive at all.



AIDS workers are serious about following universal precautions and they don't get AIDS unless there's an accident. A needle prick through a surgical glove will do it.

So what you're saying is you can't find an example where a health worker has contracted AIDS simply by touching their face, right?
That's because HIV/AIDS requires blood transmission or intimate contact for transmission; ebola requires only bodily fluid contact with skin. It's entirely different, and much easier to spread.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

So what you're saying is you can't find an example where a health worker has contracted AIDS simply by touching their face, right?
That's because HIV/AIDS requires blood transmission or intimate contact for transmission; ebola requires only bodily fluid contact with skin. It's entirely different, and much easier to spread.

Well, there has to be an open wound or contact with mucous membrane for the virus to infect you. It isn't as easy as you think.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...ebola/?hpid=z1

Despite the CNN/PoxNoise fear mongering, it's not that easy to contract the virus in the US/EU or any other First World nation.

bear in mind that nothing is definitively know about the transmission of virus.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

So what you're saying is you can't find an example where a health worker has contracted AIDS simply by touching their face, right?
That's because HIV/AIDS requires blood transmission or intimate contact for transmission; ebola requires only bodily fluid contact with skin. It's entirely different, and much easier to spread.

I think it's body fluid to break in skin, not intact skin. Same Aids. The guy who touched his face cound have had a shaving cut, or a pimple. The main problem with Ebola is the copious shedding of infected bodily fluids.

You got a source for intact skin being an infection route?

[MikeG22]

You guys are missing this big difference between Ebola and HIV. HIV is a blood borne pathogen which requires blood to transmit. You cannot contract HIV from mucus, saliva, or vomit unless there is blood in it. Ebola presents itself in all kinds of bodily fluid so it is much easier to transmit.

I think the outbreak especially in Africa is unfortunately still in its infancy.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by MikeG22

You guys are missing this big difference between Ebola and HIV. HIV is a blood borne pathogen which requires blood to transmit. You cannot contract HIV from mucus, saliva, or vomit unless there is blood in it. Ebola presents itself in all kinds of bodily fluid so it is much easier to transmit.

I think the outbreak especially in Africa is unfortunately still in its infancy.

I believe I've stated that it's not an airborne virus. And I've backed up that statement with a list of bodily fluids that carry the virus. So tell me what I'm missing regarding transmission.

HIV is blood borne and must come into contact with the bloodstream in order to be transmitted. But it can be carried in bodily fluids other than blood and can be transmitted through mucous membranes. Thus transmission in semen during sex, even though there is no direct introduction into the bloodstream. It can even be passed from mother to child through breast milk and oral mucous membranes in the child in cases where the fetus was not infected in utero.

From aids.gov...

How Do You Get HIV?

Certain body fluids from an HIV-infected person can transmit HIV.

These body fluids are:

Blood
Semen (cum)
Pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum)
Rectal fluids
Vaginal fluids
Breast milk

These body fluids must come into contact with a mucous membrane or damaged tissue or be directly injected into your bloodstream (by a needle or syringe) for transmission to possibly occur. Mucous membranes are the soft, moist areas just inside the openings to your body. They can be found inside the rectum, the vagina or the opening of the penis, and the mouth.

Mucous membrane or damaged tissue where direct contact with the bloodstream is possible are mechanisms of transmission.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Well, there has to be an open wound or contact with mucous membrane for the virus to infect you. It isn't as easy as you think.

Of course. What is wrong with that guy? If I ever need somebody to pick nits off anything I'll know who to call.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You've gone way over my thick skull with this one, Pete. Who's poor widdow feewings???

Wait until there's forced quarantine. And for goodness sake it better not be a definable part of the population, better to die than single out any group.

Pete

[piece-itpete]

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Pete