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Old 09-14-2014, 06:37 PM
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I admire the job police do, but they're wrong on this one. A school is not an airport. A girl who won't let go of her phone is not a threat. A sane human being ought to let her go. Let her calm down. Deal with it through suspensions, detention, or other non-physical means. If what the police did follows the law, the law is wrong.
You're right, a school is not an airport: it's worse. Further, how can you actually determine the severity of a student threat in one, on sight?

You can't.

Subdue then evaluate. No harm was done in positively impacting safety.
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:18 PM
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You're right, a school is not an airport: it's worse. Further, how can you actually determine the severity of a student threat in one, on sight?

You can't.

Subdue then evaluate. No harm was done in positively impacting safety.
You don't need to reply to everyone.
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Old 09-14-2014, 09:29 PM
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You're right, a school is not an airport: it's worse. Further, how can you actually determine the severity of a student threat in one, on sight?

You can't.

Subdue then evaluate. No harm was done in positively impacting safety.
Oh yeah, check the back pedaling by Ferguson, MO city council from last week. On this Houston case, guaranteed there will be a civil lawsuit and the tax payers will have to bear it. Does not make sense. There needs to be wisdom associated with law enforcement and they need to find a softer gentler way in mild situations.
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Old 09-14-2014, 10:02 PM
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You don't need to reply to everyone.
Scrutiny of your argument bothering you by Post #11?
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Old 09-14-2014, 10:05 PM
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Oh yeah, check the back pedaling by Ferguson, MO city council from last week.
Not from the Police Department and specifically tied to attempts in reducing potential civil unrest.

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On this Houston case, guaranteed there will be a civil lawsuit and the tax payers will have to bear it.
Whom do they litigate?

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Does not make sense.
Yes, it does. It's a function of the same entitlement which generated the issue.

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There needs to be wisdom associated with law enforcement and they need to find a softer gentler way in mild situation.
There was "wisdom."

I assure you, an unarmed takedown is about as soft as it gets for noncompliance.
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Old 09-14-2014, 11:49 PM
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Scrutiny of your argument bothering you by Post #11?
What I mean is, you seem dedicated to getting the last word. It's ok...you can win your argument without speaking last.
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Old 09-14-2014, 11:52 PM
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You're right, a school is not an airport: it's worse. Further, how can you actually determine the severity of a student threat in one, on sight?

You can't.

Subdue then evaluate. No harm was done in positively impacting safety.
You are dehumanizing everything you say with some sort of pseudo-military lingo. Can't you express a thought in plain English?
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:34 AM
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Zeke, to make the propositions put forth in your Post #75, all teachers should be cops. Then that will keep it all under a single system. NRA wants all teachers to be armed any way and this will do it.
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:48 AM
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There ought to be more of a limit than this on what the police do at the school. They should not be enforcing school rules, like the use of cell phones. It sounds like the school staff used the police as a way to avoid dealing with the situation. If the staff involved are sane human beings, they probably regretted it quickly afterward. They won't likely admit that until forced to, though.
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:38 PM
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You are dehumanizing everything you say with some sort of pseudo-military lingo. Can't you express a thought in plain English?
It is plain English. That you find it "dehumanizing" springs from you, not me.

Further, in context, I use the appropriate terms as executed by on site personnel. That you desire to inject emotion into the equation merely stands as a failed attempt to reframe the argument towards your agenda.

Negative, Ghostrider. If you desire to judge someone's actions, at least know their culture.
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