Israel has invaded Gaza...

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by nailer

Death of the Firstborn plague is the first recorded act of political terrorism.

King David Hotel bombing.

As long as Israel's population grows and is productive it will require and acquire more territory.

It would be wise to wash our hands of Israel, but that's not going to happen.

Israel is not even close to being Nazi Germany.

No, they aren't close to Nazi Germany, at present.

But some the they stuff they do, and more of the stuff some say, makes it look like they could get way too close, and with speed.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

No, that's not suicidal. That's just 'willing to absorb some losses.' They guys in charge will be just fine, as I said. As long as they stay in power, it's not suicide for them, it's the opposite. It's staying alive.

Suicide bombing is a tactic that involves one sacrificial individual at a time. You're drawing too broad a conclusion from it. But what does all this talk of 'suicidal Palestinians' mean anyway? That what happens to them is their fault? It that the big point of your argument?

It is suicidal because the lop side result is so predictable.

It means it is time to try something different.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

It is suicidal because the lop side result is so predictable.

It means it is time to try something different.

You think the only measure of success or failure is the score (body count?)

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

It is suicidal because the lop side result is so predictable.

It means it is time to try something different.

It is a suicidal act of desperation, not simple suicide.

[nailer]

Every suicide is an act of desperation.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Even though it was their land to begin with.

Where have I heard that, before?

Point begin, Israel can SUCK IT. And they are to be directly compared to Nazis, here.

Zeke spake for the forum. How's the sheet fitting these days eh?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

It is a suicidal act of desperation, not simple suicide.

It is not suicide at all. Using this word is ridiculous.

There are 1.8 million people in Gaza. Under 1500 were killed in the Israeli incursion in 2009 (Operation Cast Lead). Property damage was very extensive, of course, but the point is the Hamas leaders have every reason to think the latest Israeli punitive raid will not pose anything remotely like a existential danger to the Palestinians, or to their rule in Gaza.

But rational Hamas leadership may well see this conflict and the losses they will take as necessary and advantageous. It will keep them in power in Gaza, renewiing their credibility as fighters against Israel. There will be large costs imposed on Israel, monetarily and politically. The situation is certainly rough, but I wouldn't even say 'desperate.'

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by nailer

Every suicide is an act of desperation.

Agreed. But this is not a decision made by specific individuals but rather a collective sacrifice of life for a common cause. I do not agree with the actions of either side, yet I do not see a simple resolution till both the Palestinians get tired of killing themselves and Israeli's get tired of killing Palestinians.

[piece-itpete]

I disagree a bit with the suicide bombers themselves being desperate. Many are brainwashed into believing they're doing good and will be rewarded.

Pete

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Agreed. But this is not a decision made by specific individuals but rather a collective sacrifice of life for a common cause. I do not agree with the actions of either side, yet I do not see a simple resolution till both the Palestinians get tired of killing themselves and Israeli's get tired of killing Palestinians.

Collective sacrifice of life? Once again, 'they' are thought of as a lump that does things as a lump.

I guarantee you individuals at the top of Hamas gave orders to launch all those missiles. The masses did not decide to do it.

1. The Israelis make sure the Palestinians go on hating them.
2. The Palestinians make sure the Israelis go on hating them.
3. GOTO 1.

The killing is the result of the above loop. The loop is not tiring, and will not stop until it is made to stop.