Supremes vote for religious bigotry

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You don't know why? Don't play this nauseating deliberately obtuse game with me, whell. You know good and goddamn well, why.

Ike - you've chosen to make a straw man out of whole cloth with your argument just so you can knock it down. I'm not playing YOUR game.

[piece-itpete]

It's breathtaking, the carelessness of most of the lef tand even much of the right regarding Federal government overreach.

Heck, we think it's right, so everyone has to do it. Theocracy? No. More the ivory tower thinking that has overrun our formerly free government.

It doesn't matter what this guy thinks, it doesn't matter what he invests in. It's his money. It is literally his business.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Who cares what they believe, considering all the other silly fairy tales they chose to believe? The Supreme Court decided in Roe v. Wade that viability means "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."

Thank goodness they found that in the Constitution

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It's breathtaking, the carelessness of most of the lef tand even much of the right regarding Federal government overreach.

Heck, we think it's right, so everyone has to do it. Theocracy? No. More the ivory tower thinking that has overrun our formerly free government.

It doesn't matter what this guy thinks, it doesn't matter what he invests in. It's his money. It is literally his business.


Thank goodness they found that in the Constitution

Pete

Are you staying that a business owner should have carte blanche when it comes to what he does with his money? Should they be allowed to sell crack or meth at Hobby Lobby? How about simply refusing to pay taxes? Is that OK too?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

Ike - you've chosen to make a straw man out of whole cloth with your argument just so you can knock it down. I'm not playing YOUR game.

Bravely spoken. Cowardly dodged.

[piece-itpete]

It is a religious issue, not a criminal one.

Pete

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Are you staying that a business owner should have carte blanche when it comes to what he does with his money? Should they be allowed to sell crack or meth at Hobby Lobby? How about simply refusing to pay taxes? Is that OK too?

He's already said exactly that in another post. And it's nothing more than a cutsey sidestep designed to confuse the issue.

The Green's are sticking their nose into something that is none of their business. You want to provide health care coverage to your employees? Fine...STFU and do it. Anything else is interference in confidentiality protected medical care, regardless of what the right-winger theocrat activists on the high court spew out of their festering pieholes. It's delusional religious fanatics stomping on other peoples rights and paid for privileges.

I don't know this...anybody else know this? Do Hobby Lobby employees contribute a portion of their health coverage premiums? If they do...it's even worse. If I were a Hobby Lobby employee contributing part of my pay to health insurance coverage premiums...I would be taking whatever steps available to me and affordable for me, to make David Green the next guy being dragged into court.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

He's already said exactly that in another post. And it's nothing more than a cutsey sidestep designed to confuse the issue.

The Green's are sticking their nose into something that is none of their business. You want to provide health care coverage to your employees? Fine...STFU and do it. Anything else is interference in confidentiality protected medical care, regardless of what the right-winger theocrat activists on the high court spew out of their festering pieholes. It's delusional religious fanatics stomping on other peoples rights and paid for privileges.

I don't know this...anybody else know this? Do Hobby Lobby employees contribute a portion of their health coverage premiums? If they do...it's even worse. If I were a Hobby Lobby employee contributing part of my pay to health insurance coverage premiums...I would be taking whatever steps available to me and affordable for me, to make David Green the next guy being dragged into court.

Of course

Pete

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It is a religious issue, not a criminal one.

Pete

Are you talking to me? If you are...WTF are you talking about?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Of course

Pete

Of course what pete. Go roll your eyes at your children.

I, for one, have had a fucking gutfull of your glib bullshit. Jesus christ man...if we were in a fishing boat together, I grab a beer out of the cooler, hand it to you and throw your ass in the lake.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It is a religious issue, not a criminal one.

Pete

The law imposes duties, regardless of religion, and sometimes regulating the spending of 'one's own money.'

The 'his own money' argument indeed suggests he should be free of all such regulation. Should he not be able to advertise dishonestly, since he pays for the ads with 'his own money?' It being 'his own money,' can he dicide to pay his employees less-than-minimum wage?

As for religion, what if his religion justifies and even demands he advertise falsely and lower the wages?

You can't do anything you want because you are 'exercising your religion.' There is vast precedent for limiting religious practice, when it impact other people.

And of course, having your own money does not mean you can do as you please with it, in all respects. The law is the law; duty is duty. Same for everybody.

At least until the Roberts court came along.