The Senate.

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I must say, I've never been drawn into one of these trollish exchanges with such an idiot. My apologies to the esteemed forum members for the thread crapping. Simple solution is to follow Merrylanders lead, I'll refrain from feeding this troll any longer.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by mpholland

WTF does religion have to do with it. Just because it covers contraception doesn't mean you have to buy the damn pills. That's like a vegetarian refusing to eat a salad at a restaurant because they serve other people meat.

Well you had brought up Contraception and it's mandated in ACA. That were it gets sticky with employers. ACA is trying to do a one size fits all and it doesn't.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Well you had brought up Contraception and it's mandated in ACA. That were it gets sticky with employers. ACA is trying to do a one size fits all and it doesn't.

The ACA isn't one size fits all. It has four levels of coverage. What it does do is set forth minimum requirements for plans such that consumers can make apples-to-apples comparisons between plans offered by different companies.

The contraception debate is a red herring. Some Catholic groups squawked and the GOP jumped all over it as they were willing to carry the water of anyone who complained.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The ACA isn't one size fits all. It has four levels of coverage. What it does do is set forth minimum requirements for plans such that consumers can make apples-to-apples comparisons between plans offered by different companies.

The contraception debate is a red herring. Some Catholic groups squawked and the GOP jumped all over it as they were willing to carry the water of anyone who complained.

And all plans require that contraception is provided. It goes against their religion and that size will not fit.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And all plans require that contraception is provided. It goes against their religion and that size will not fit.

True enough, but should a Christian Science employer be able to insist on providing his non-Christian Science employees with plans that essentially cover nothing? Or should native American employers be able to insist upon the government paying for peyote for their employees? Bottom line - Just because you're an employer, should you be able to impose your religious beliefs on your employees?

Reportedly, up to 98% of Catholic women have used birth control at some time in their lives. Damn near the only Catholics that don't use birth control wear funny robes and like young boys (disclosure: I was born and raised Catholic). Moreover, birth control pills are used to treat at least 5 other health conditions impacting women.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And all plans require that contraception is provided. It goes against their religion and that size will not fit.

How is that different than the employer based insurance people have had for years that provide contraception?

Oh yeah..... I know.... Because it's 'Obamacare' so now people have to complain.

Hypocritical and clueless.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by barbara

How is that different than the employer based insurance people have had for years that provide contraception?

Oh yeah..... I know.... Because it's 'Obamacare' so now people have to complain.

Hypocritical and clueless.

Not Hypocritical.

If a religious organization did not want any form of contraception in their work plans they didn't have to provide it. With ACA it's being forced upon them and thats the fight. It goes against their beliefs and they should not have to provide it.

As far as I go I don't give a flying rats ass on the abortion debate one way or another.

But I do care about religious freedoms, and I'm not even religious. Is that Hypocritical also.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Not Hypocritical.

If a religious organization did not want any form of contraception in their work plans they didn't have to provide it. With ACA it's being forced upon them and thats the fight. It goes against their beliefs and they should not have to provide it.

As far as I go I don't give a flying rats ass on the abortion debate one way or another.

But I do care about religious freedoms, and I'm not even religious. Is that Hypocritical also.

There's an opt out provision for religious employers.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/28/politi...ontraceptives/

Again, this is all a red herring and the GOP is cynically using to rile up their base.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Not Hypocritical.

If a religious organization did not want any form of contraception in their work plans they didn't have to provide it. With ACA it's being forced upon them and thats the fight. It goes against their beliefs and they should not have to provide it.

As far as I go I don't give a flying rats ass on the abortion debate one way or another.

But I do care about religious freedoms, and I'm not even religious. Is that Hypocritical also.

No, it just means that you are buying into the talking points of the noise machine lock, stock and barrel. Why don't you explain you understanding of the First Amendment's protection of religious freedom. Are there limits to the right of individuals to engage in any religious practices that they sincerely believe in?

Regards,

D-Ray

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

No, it just means that you are buying into the talking points of the noise machine lock, stock and barrel. Why don't you explain you understanding of the First Amendment's protection of religious freedom. Are there limits to the right of individuals to engage in any religious practices that they sincerely believe in?

Regards,

D-Ray

No Polygamy is against the law, but that doesn't mean I agree with that.