The Affordable Care Act

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yep. High wages, Healthcare you can't lose and well educated workforce.....We have people down here who seem hell bent to eliminate all of those things. Why? I don't know, it's completely beyond me. Unless they're trying to turn the whole damn country into a plantation is all I can guess.

Dave

States Rights? Recent ads by New York State to give businesses a ten year tax holiday if they locate in New York State. Then two years after they get there they will be bitching that the schools are not turning out the kind of robots they need.

We probably pay more school taxes than most corporations and we don't even have children in the schools.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Had one million hits on the website before 7:00am today.

How could you have foreseen that this one, simple observation would spawn 92 pages of responses?

^ The above is a likely ill fated attempt to bring this thread back on topic.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I agree pretty much with all of the above. However, I strongly disagree with the concerted effort by the GOP to characterize the report as reducing jobs rather than workers by 2 million. If they are at all literate, they know full well what the report says and it says nothing about losing 2 million jobs. In fact, it says the opposite (i.e., its impacts will be negligible in that regard). In fact, I have a hard time seeing how this is a bad thing. People leaving the workforce voluntarily to either start businesses or retire create jobs or open up existing job slots for those seeking employment, respectively.

I gotta hand it to the GOP, however, for being better at creative messaging than the Dems.

It may not have come from the GOP initially, though they might have run with it. It may have come from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/us...ment.html?_r=0

Note the correction / retraction at the bottom, dated 2/4/14:

Correction: February 4, 2014

An earlier version of a headline accompanying this article on the home page was incorrect. The health law is projected to result in a voluntary reduction in the work force equal to 2.5 million full-time workers, according to the Congressional Budget Office, not two million fewer jobs.

[merrylander]

So will someone please explain to me why workers here are so different from workers in other industrialized countries. When SinglePayer was introduced in Canada there was no rush for the exits. People kept going to work as before, now more content knowing that they would never face bankruptcy due to medical expenses. Is the CBO fairy tale simply another example of American Exceptionalism?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

It may not have come from the GOP initially, though they might have run with it. It may have come from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/us...ment.html?_r=0

Note the correction / retraction at the bottom, dated 2/4/14:

Correction: February 4, 2014

An earlier version of a headline accompanying this article on the home page was incorrect. The health law is projected to result in a voluntary reduction in the work force equal to 2.5 million full-time workers, according to the Congressional Budget Office, not two million fewer jobs.

The Post's Milbank made the same mistake. The truth is now well known, but the GOP continues to harp on the loss of 2 million jobs. On my way back from my workout, I turned on the radio to hear Limbaugh ranting about the loss of jobs. The Post now calls GOP talking points on the issue a "fact free zone."

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by merrylander

States Rights? Recent ads by New York State to give businesses a ten year tax holiday if they locate in New York State. Then two years after they get there they will be bitching that the schools are not turning out the kind of robots they need.

We probably pay more school taxes than most corporations and we don't even have children in the schools.

You got it. It kills me when people with kids in public schools bitch about ".....paying for someone else....". I've been paying for their snot-nosed offspring my entire life. The sick part is that I'm glad to do it, because I see the sense in it. If you think it's bad now, imagine an America where all these kids are strictly educated by their idiotic parents....................

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

It may not have come from the GOP initially, though they might have run with it. It may have come from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/us...ment.html?_r=0

Note the correction / retraction at the bottom, dated 2/4/14:

Correction: February 4, 2014

An earlier version of a headline accompanying this article on the home page was incorrect. The health law is projected to result in a voluntary reduction in the work force equal to 2.5 million full-time workers, according to the Congressional Budget Office, not two million fewer jobs.

And God forbid any more Americans should have the ability to leave the workforce voluntarily. What kind of country would deprive citizens of medical coverage in order to force them to continue working, rather than incentivize them? Sounds almost Fascist to me.

Oh, that's right..............

Dave

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

And God forbid any more Americans should have the ability to leave the workforce voluntarily. What kind of country would deprive citizens of medical coverage in order to force them to continue working, rather than incentivize them? Sounds almost Fascist to me.

Oh, that's right..............

Dave

Its not the fact that folks leave the workforce that's bothersome here. It would the the reasons why they'd consider leaving.

[icenine]

let me tell you one thing...if the ACA does in fact liberate people from working jobs just because they do not need the healthcare anymore from the employer there will be no going back

[bobabode]

Here we go again. Rubio proposes legislation to gut the ACA and link it to their upcoming debt ceiling fight. When will these spinning idjits ever learn?

"Testifying before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) promoted legislation he has introduced in the Senate to repeal a provision of the Affordable Care Act known as “risk corridors,” which are designed to limit the losses and gains of health insurance plans during the first three years they are sold on the law’s new exchanges.
Republicans have discussed linking repeal of the provision to a one-year increase in the federal debt ceiling, an issue that is again coming up for debate. A deal to temporarily suspend the debt limit was reached in October but is due to expire Friday. In their statements to the House panel Wednesday, neither Rubio nor the Oversight Committee chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), mentioned linking repeal of the risk corridors to a debt-ceiling increase.
“This law has so many flaws that it cannot be fixed,” Rubio told the committee. “The American people should not have to pay for another taxpayer-funded bailout.” He added; “The bottom line is that it is not right to allow a powerful industry to use its influence in Washington to protect itself” from the health-care law."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...e03_story.html