The Affordable Care Act

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by barbara

ike, the majority of americans voted for and elected into office politicians that promised health care reform.....

bam!!!

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I know I'm new hereabouts...but I suspect JBS is way better at demanding linky poo's than delivering linky poo's.

And look, he's already dismissed the Harvard Report before I had a chance to give him a linky poo to the Harvard Report.

And Richard Kronick...isn't that an interesting name to pop up in this discussion? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if I have to put my lot in with a Harvard Med study or with somebody named Richard Kronick...I'll be going with the boys from Harvard, not the boy with the hilarious name from UC San Diego.

He is one of yours.

Richard Kronick

Expertise:
health care reform
managed competition proposals in the health insurance industry
consulting and advising to government officials on health care reform
state Medicaid programs
systems to pay HMOs for disabled enrollees' care

Biography
As of January 2010, Richard G. Kronick is on leave from his job as professor and chief of the division of health care sciences at the UCSD School of Medicine's department of family and preventive medicine. He is serving as a deputy assistant secretary for health policy in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The division of health care sciences includes programs in outcome research, biostatistics, health policy, cancer prevention and medical ethics. Kronick previously served as a senior adviser to former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton for two years. He developed much of the theory behind the Clinton administration's proposal for health care reform, particularly managed competition proposals. He continues to provide technical assistance to congressional staff and members. Kronick's work in the area of health-based payment systems led to the development of the Chronic Illness and Disability Payment System (CDPS), a diagnostic classification system that state Medicaid programs can use to determine an appropriately higher level of payment to HMOs for disabled enrollees. He has modified the DPS to fit other health utilization systems since then, and more than a handful of states are putting his theories to the test as they implement their own Medicaid plans. Kronick received his Ph.D. in political science from the University of Rochester in 1990.

[bobabode]

Hey Jim. Found it here. Haven't slogged that far into it yet but it looks like the good doctor has a methodology complaint in his critique. It doesn't appear that he believes there are no early deaths from not having insurance. He goes on to say that it is between 0 - 36,000.

For the sake of argument...say we split the pot of 0 - 36,000 at 50%? Providing eighteen thousand fellow American citizens per year with a chance at a longer life sounds like a slam dunk to me.

I'm rethinking calling this guy Dr. Dick, I reserve the right to add (ish)...<grin> He's a political scientist after all.

[bobabode]

Cool new avatar btw. The Mad Hatter was better.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Menton1

Wow, the Repubs are getting itchy/nervous... the healthcare.gov site is working well. Very scary to them, that 30 million folks might actually have health insurance and be less miserable.

Of course, nary a mention of the 35 or so states (including mine, NJ) with Repub governors or Repub legislatures that opted out of running their own site. Right next door in NY, their website is separate from the Federal one and has worked effortlessly since October. NY State has registered about 100K applicants successfully.

If the Repubs are getting itchy, it's due to an allergic reaction to the BS spewing forth about healthcare reform, as exemplified by this post.

You can dream about how PPACA will get 30 MM more folks insured. But odds are exceptionally low that the goal of 7 MM enrollees will be reached by the enrollment deadline. In fact, it appears that most states are only at about 10% of their enrollment goals. Democrat run states are also falling substantially short of their enrollment targets. That includes New York, which has just over 51k enrolles on a goal of about 200k enrollments, so your numbers are a bit off.

In fact, most of the states with Dem Gov's and legislatures are way behind their enrollment goals, including CA, NY, and KY. So, that canned lefty whine about the lack of support from Repub states impacting the rollout of healthcare reform can officially be placed in that wide and deep graveyard of useless lefty talking points that don't reflect reality.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

If the Repubs are getting itchy, it's due to an allergic reaction to the BS spewing forth about healthcare reform, as exemplified by this post.

You can dream about how PPACA will get 30 MM more folks insured. But odds are exceptionally low that the goal of 7 MM enrollees will be reached by the enrollment deadline. In fact, it appears that most states are only at about 10% of their enrollment goals. Democrat run states are also falling substantially short of their enrollment targets. That includes New York, which has just over 51k enrolles on a goal of about 200k enrollments, so your numbers are a bit off.

In fact, most of the states with Dem Gov's and legislatures are way behind their enrollment goals, including CA, NY, and KY. So, that canned lefty whine about the lack of support from Repub states impacting the rollout of healthcare reform can officially be placed in that wide and deep graveyard of useless lefty talking points that don't reflect reality.

You're in high dudgeon tonight, Mike.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Hey Jim. Found it here. Haven't slogged that far into it yet but it looks like the good doctor has a methodology complaint in his critique. It doesn't appear that he believes there are no early deaths from not having insurance. He goes on to say that it is between 0 - 36,000.

For the sake of argument...say we split the pot of 0 - 36,000 at 50%? Providing eighteen thousand fellow American citizens per year with a chance at a longer life sounds like a slam dunk to me.

I'm rethinking calling this guy Dr. Dick, I reserve the right to add (ish)...<grin> He's a political scientist after all.

For the sake of argument i'll call it inconclusive

[icenine]

Health care is not like buying an LCD flat screen TV

YOU NEED IT

and when people start to use Obamacare and realize it will make their lives healthier and BETTER it will be like a tsunami

it will take time...just like Medicare

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You're in high dudgeon tonight, Mike.

Why thank you sir.

I will issue one correction. New York did have an enrollment spike, and their private insurance enrollment totals are just above 95k. Still, that's only about 47% of the state's enrollment goal with the enrollment deadline approaching. And, at 47% of their goal, NY is kicking ass compared to many other states that are still in the single digits % of their total goal.

Check out enrollmaven.com, a private site tracking enrollment data. It's quite enlightening.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by icenine

Health care is not like buying an LCD flat screen TV

YOU NEED IT

and when people start to use Obamacare and realize it will make their lives healthier and BETTER it will be like a tsunami

it will take time...just like Medicare

NEED? What you need is healthcare and that we all have.

People will die with or without insurance.

And 10 to 1 most millennials would take the LCD over insurance.