The Affordable Care Act

[bobabode]

It's too late, babay. it's too late. Embrace the suck.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

The saying in advertising is "The best mousetrap won't catch any customers if you don't advertise that it exists."

The problem with OBAMAcare is. The people have seen it and don't want it!

Yeah well...we already knew that. Tell me something I don't know. We knew that before there was an Obamacare. We knew that with Hillarycare. We knew it before Hillarycare.

Of course the majority of self-absorbed American people with their tidy employment based health insurance policies don't give a shit that 30 million poor people are uninsured and 40,000 of them are dying needlessly every year.

It's a real "I got mine...tough shit if you don't got yours." kinda country.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Yeah well...we already knew that. Tell me something I don't know. We knew that before there was an Obamacare. We knew that with Hillarycare. We knew it before Hillarycare.



Of course the majority of self-absorbed American people with their tidy employment based health insurance policies don't give a shit that 30 million poor people are uninsured and 40,000 of them are dying needlessly every year.



It's a real "I got mine...tough shit if you don't got yours." kinda country.

I hear what you are saying but can't completely agree.

There are a lot of folks who support health care reform and understand all too well that one major illness could mean bankruptcy without it.

But, the way I see it is that it is money talking here. It is the ins companies and their money that is spewing all the negativity and then, people who are uninformed, believe that crap.

I just think that the opposition has a bigger voice because they have the money to be heard.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Yeah well...we already knew that. Tell me something I don't know. We knew that before there was an Obamacare. We knew that with Hillarycare. We knew it before Hillarycare.

Of course the majority of self-absorbed American people with their tidy employment based health insurance policies don't give a shit that 30 million poor people are uninsured and 40,000 of them are dying needlessly every year.

It's a real "I got mine...tough shit if you don't got yours." kinda country.

Prove it! Prove 40,000 of them are dying needlessly every year.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Prove it! Prove 40,000 of them are dying needlessly every year.

I trust Reuters and the Harvard Medical School

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...58G6W520090917

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by icenine

I trust Reuters and the Harvard Medical School

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...58G6W520090917

I'll go with....

Richard Kronick, PhD, HHS Director of the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality

He said, "It is not possible to draw firm causal inferences from the results of observational analyses, but there is little evidence to suggest that extending insurance coverage to all adults would have a large effect on the number of deaths in the United States."

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Prove it! Prove 40,000 of them are dying needlessly every year.

I think you will find that the figure for needless deaths in our hospitals is even higher than that.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by JBS...

I'll go with....

Richard Kronick, PhD, HHS Director of the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality

He said, "It is not possible to draw firm causal inferences from the results of observational analyses, but there is little evidence to suggest that extending insurance coverage to all adults would have a large effect on the number of deaths in the United States."

Then how come countries with universal healthcare show longer lifespans, less infant death, hell they just score better than we do.

(Always did say PhD was piled higher and deeper)

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

I'll go with....

Richard Kronick, PhD, HHS Director of the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality

He said, "It is not possible to draw firm causal inferences from the results of observational analyses, but there is little evidence to suggest that extending insurance coverage to all adults would have a large effect on the number of deaths in the United States."

Linky poo?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by barbara

I hear what you are saying but can't completely agree.

There are a lot of folks who support health care reform and understand all too well that one major illness could mean bankruptcy without it.

But, the way I see it is that it is money talking here. It is the ins companies and their money that is spewing all the negativity and then, people who are uninformed, believe that crap.

I just think that the opposition has a bigger voice because they have the money to be heard.

Sure there are a lot of Americans who support health care reform barbara. Just not the majority of Americans. And I'm not willing to get too cozy with the concept of "uninformed" Americans. Americans are the most intellectually lazy citizens of the developed world. And...IMHO...it's a laziness of convenience.

Back in the '60's we didn't have any money. Everybody else had the money. The silent majority had the money. The military industrial complex had the money. But we were angry enough, and disillusioned enough, and being sent of to slaughter enough that enough of us said...OK...just a minute now, this whole commie domino effect has turned out to be utter bullshit. So we're out in the streets of Chicago in 1968 getting our heads cracked open...when it would have been so much more convenient just to believe whatever was coming out of Spiro Agnew's festering piehole.