So no matter what happens in Massachusetts tomorrow..

[Writewing]

And yet Bush was President, live in the past or step into the here and now with sometihng more than a guess of what may have happened and tired old bitching about an Election almost a decade ago.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Your joking right ?

Even Gore would have been forced by the masses to declare war after 911.

I am sure we would have gone to Afghanistan and done a much better job as we would never have taken our recourses or attention away to invade a contained country, Iraq.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Writewing

And yet Bush was President, live in the past or step into the here and now with sometihng more than a guess of what may have happened and tired old bitching about an Election almost a decade ago.

Isn't the reluctance to step into the future a hallmark of the right?

Good god man, do you ever speak with consistence?

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I am sure we would have gone to Afghanistan and done a much better job as we would never have taken our recourses or attention away to invade a contained country, Iraq.

Maybe but it sure was sweet to see Saddam go to the gallows

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Writewing

And yet Bush was President, live in the past or step into the here and now with sometihng more than a guess of what may have happened and tired old bitching about an Election almost a decade ago.

“Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.”

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Writewing

Maybe but it sure was sweet to see Saddam go to the gallows

How many American lives and trillions of dollars was it worth? I'm sure a mother who lost her son in Iraq would be consoled by the fact that it amused you.

[Writewing]

Thats nice, its a cheapshot but par for your way of thought.
When freedom is fully realized in Iraq the citizens of that country and the entire world will be a better place and that makes sacrifice not only worth it but also a necessity.

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

“Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.”

And soon we will see if your party not only lectures with those words but also puts them to practice.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Writewing

Thats nice, its a cheapshot but par for your way of thought.
When freedom is fully realized in Iraq the citizens of that country and the entire world will be a better place and that makes sacrifice not only worth it but also a necessity.

There will never, ever, be freedom in that part of the world.

One they don't want it.

Two their religion, for the most part forbids it.

Three its be going on for thousands of years and will continue long after we are gone.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

There's no way to know, of course, but I suspect there would have been some action in Afghanistan. Not sure what it would have looked like. Perhaps we'd have gone in and gotten Bin Laden and called it a day. I am virtually certain that we would *not* have gotten into the mess in Iraq. Clinton was big on cruise missles and limited engagement. No way to know what Gore would have done, but I suspect it would have been more limited in scope.

So, who knows? Monday morning quarterbacking and all. But we may have been in and out with Afghanistan and not gone to Iraq at all. How many trillions would that have saved?

Clinton, the slimy bastard was smarter then I gave credit. He knew he should have finished what bush's father should have. Instead he let it all simmer over and become the next guys problem.