Hannity on NSA - Then and Now

[Charles]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Note that he spouts the usual canard about Dems being weak on defense. Lincoln was the last republican president to win a war, in fact he was the sole republican president to win a war. Truth be know he should have let them go.

I agree with you.

While he "saved the Union", look what it's become.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Charles

I agree with you.

While he "saved the Union", look what it's become.

Chas

It looks like a union, with certain people relentlessy trying to provoke some shit.
I think they're asking for it and have wanted to pick this fight ever since Lincoln defeated the slave owners, got a bigger bug up their asses over LBJs legislation and now that the Dems have had the gall to elect a................well,

Ding, Ding!

Dave

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

It looks like a union, with certain people relentlessy trying to provoke some shit.
I think they're asking for it and have wanted to pick this fight ever since Lincoln defeated the slave owners, got a bigger bug up their asses over LBJs legislation and now that the Dems have had the gall to elect a................well,

Ding, Ding!

Dave

Personally, I think the slaves were no more than a tool...after all Lincoln freed them in the South where he had no jurisdiction at the time, and left them in chains in the North where he had.

It was a political power struggle between two opposing factions, using slavery for the catalyst. Much as the cities and rural areas are engaged in now, only we don't have a neat dividing line such as the Mason Dixon.

And I'm also of the belief that slavery would have died a natural death in the South, much like everywhere else other than Africa, with the advent of the mechanical age.

And while I'm expanding on speculation, I suspect that the black race would have been better served than to be used for political purposes during Resconstruction as the means to enforce further control on the already disenfranchised South.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending slavery, far from it.

But if someone were to enforce their will on you to the point of shoving it up your ass sideways like this was handled, you'd have your great, great, great grandkids, teaching their grandkids, to hate their guts until the end of time.

The blacks were simply caught in the crossfire, and they're still there.

I'm not saying I'm right, simply offering an opposing viewpoint.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

I think it is and has always been a struggle between the haves and the have nots. Only now, the haves have the have nots turned against each other over a few bucks an hour and who is "stealing" what from who. When in fact, it's the haves that are stealing from all of us under the absurd premise that all of the money they have, they've earned, it's theirs and we have no right to "steal" it from them....even when we we've worked for it. And, God knows, the lazy bastards aren't going to pick their own fucking cotton. Wouldn't in the 1850s and they aren't going to do it today, either.

See, the good Reverand told me as a young lad that the love of money is the root of all evil. But, I hear the GOP in particular has been trying to change that. We're supposed to believe "Greed is Good".............Well, so long as it's not us that's gettin' greedy, of course. When that happens they supposedly "have no choice" but to hire some Chinamen.

Dave

[merrylander]

Slavery began because indigo was valuable but the source only grew in places that would eventually kill you so they could not pay people to pick it. How that differed from paying people starvation wages to work in the northern mills escapes me.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Charles

But if someone were to enforce their will on you to the point of shoving it up your ass sideways like this was handled, you'd have your great, great, great grandkids, teaching their grandkids, to hate their guts until the end of time.

Which is why a lot of American Indians are screwed in the head but that's a different thread...

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Charles

And I'm also of the belief that slavery would have died a natural death in the South, much like everywhere else other than Africa, with the advent of the mechanical age.

I'm of the belief that this is pure BS and that if many southern whites had their way today, they'd be running auctions every Sunday at noon......Right after church.

But if someone were to enforce their will on you to the point of shoving it up your ass sideways like this was handled..........................

Some people are so f**king hardheaded they leave others with no choice.

Chas

"I'm not saying I'm right, simply offering an opposing viewpoint."

Good for you. I happen to believe you're wrong.

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"I'm not saying I'm right, simply offering an opposing viewpoint."

Good for you. I happen to believe you're wrong.

Dave

But MO got the best of both worlds.....got to enter the union and keep their slaves. Many are still proud of that to this day....

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

But MO got the best of both worlds.....got to enter the union and keep their slaves. Many are still proud of that to this day....

Paul, Paul, Paul..........It wasn't about slavery, it was about Freedom and Gods will.

Or, maybe a priviledged few looked out at those thousands of acres or crops and considered the prosect of having to pay a fair wage to harvest it....or get off their pampered Julip sipping asses and do the work for themselves?

I think the latter seems more rooted in reality. But, that's just me. I'm crazy that way.

Anyhoo, there's no point in dredging up these 150 year old arguments, all of that is long gone............

Or, is it?

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Paul, Paul, Paul..........It wasn't about slavery, it was about Freedom and Gods will.

Or, maybe a priviledged few looked out at those thousands of acres or crops and considered the prosect of having to pay a fair wage to harvest it....or get off their pampered Julip sipping asses and do the work for themselves?

I think the latter seems more rooted in reality. But, that's just me. I'm crazy that way.

Anyhoo, there's no point in dredging up these 150 year old arguments, all of that is long gone............

Or, is it?

Dave

Ever been in someones home, a nice "normal" family home, and been showed the slave owners certificate that's been handed down through the generations, proudly framed and displayed hanging on the wall?