I think they're lying. And I think they know it.

[doucanoe]

Gentlemen, I wish you all the best.

RC

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by doucanoe

Gentlemen, I wish you all the best.

RC

Jeeze, is that a goodbye??

John

[HatchetJack]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Jeeze, is that a goodbye??

John

I think that may have been a finger raised in the air kinda like most of our
manufacturing companies did when they sailed overseas and left us to wade
in our own stink.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

I think that may have been a finger raised in the air kinda like most of our
manufacturing companies did when they sailed overseas and left us to wade
in our own stink.

Maybe we need some regula...

Or maybe we should not give a tax advantage to....

Oh nevermind.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by doucanoe

Gentlemen, I wish you all the best.

RC

Thank you, Sir.

And best wishes to you and yours, especially during this time of year.

Chas

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by doucanoe

Gentlemen, I wish you all the best.

RC

Best to you, sir.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Payne was a troublesome fellow. Everything for which he was once loved eventually made people hate him.

He was useful during the Revolutionary period and later useful to the French in their revolution. Like Che Guevara, however, he was too much the firebrand to ever be comfortable with comfort. He made those whom he helped gain power rather uncomfortable once they had power.

He was done in by the Federalists at a time when they were the dominant political force here. This was partly because of his Deist views and partly because of his links to France and the Terror following the Revolution. His friendship with Jefferson didn't help either.

John

Dang politicians, using folks

I find it interesting that, considering a movement online (and elsewhere) to brand founders as Deists, it was a problem for Paine

I find it strange that, as I would like us to do more on the science front, I am a luddite for questioning scientific claims :hdscrtch: I thought that was the proper approach vs blind acceptance? That's what I'm getting at. Show me the money! lol.

Originally Posted by doucanoe

Gentlemen, I wish you all the best.

RC

And you too sir.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

I think that may have been a finger raised in the air kinda like most of our
manufacturing companies did when they sailed overseas and left us to wade
in our own stink.

Okay, so you be the first to work cheaper and harder than anyone else in the world. Go ahead skippy, I'm right behind ya..................On second thought............Naw, f**k that. You're on your own with THAT bullshit.

Dave

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I find it interesting that, considering a movement online (and elsewhere) to brand founders as Deists, it was a problem for Paine

Some were Deists and some weren't. There was no solid consensus among the founders on religion. That makes it pretty unlikely that they would have been able to establish our country along the lines of any set of religious principles.

I find it strange that, as I would like us to do more on the science front, I am a luddite for questioning scientific claims :hdscrtch: I thought that was the proper approach vs blind acceptance? That's what I'm getting at. Show me the money! lol.

I think I'm the only one who used the term Luddite and that was facetiously in regard to Jefferson and Franklin. Nobody called you a Luddite.

That being said, the evidence is there. The stolen emails haven't changed that.

John

[doucanoe]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

I think that may have been a finger raised in the air kinda like most of our
manufacturing companies did when they sailed overseas and left us to wade
in our own stink.

No, not in the least. It’s more like this… When a discussion about taxation, spending and possible cuts in spending (i.e.: holding spending at current levels) comes up, the hole card for liberals is to always challenge someone’s compassion. Usually, this is held out of the conversation until the argument wears thin but in this case, it was rolled out early. I’m up for an honest discussion of ideas, but I don’t have the patience when the “But what about the children” challenge is paraded out. Next think you know, things get ugly and people are being called out as being Fascist, Racist, Hitler, etc., links to youtube Save the Children and UNICEF videos, Sally Struthers makes an appearance…

I’m up for an open discussion of ideas but certain things, like I said, I just don’t have the patience for. It’s such a tiresome conversation to have. I’m not leaving the discussion mad, I’m just leaving the discussion. Trust me on this.

RC