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08-06-2012, 02:16 PM
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I'm no Democrat but I have a great deal of difficulty with the decision to invade Iraq based on the rationale that was used as justification and it has little to do with second guessing.
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08-06-2012, 02:16 PM
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Kinda like most Dems think about the Iraq war.
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Except for the factual evidence that the Bush Cheney camp were lying through their teeth at the U.N.? There were no WMDs unless you call Scuds WMDs?
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08-06-2012, 02:16 PM
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Kinda like most Dems think about the Iraq war.
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Nope. The comparison was made between the surprise attacks of Pearl Harbor and 9/11. In both instances, there was some intelligence pointing to an imminent attack. As for the Iraq War, this was a planned war based upon spurious assertions. The Iraq debacle may be more comparable to the Spanish American War, though at least we gained some territory to compensate for our losses there and help us forget the dubious origins of that war.
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08-06-2012, 02:22 PM
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If the fleet commander was scapegoated it must've been bad. Everything I've read, and most of it was a bit pro-FDR or at least studiously 'neutral', points out the 8 million warning signs.
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You are reading from the armchair again.
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08-06-2012, 02:31 PM
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Indeed. It's very comfortable, and I have a great view of my library
Though if my neck gets much worse I'll have to use a e-book :grr:
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08-06-2012, 02:32 PM
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Indeed. It's very comfortable, and I have a great view of my library
Though if my neck gets much worse I'll have to use a e-book :grr:
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You would make a great secret agent Pete...no one would ever be able to "turn you"
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08-06-2012, 02:35 PM
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LMAO!! Heck I can hardly back out the drive
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08-06-2012, 02:35 PM
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Except for the factual evidence that the Bush Cheney camp were lying through their teeth at the U.N.? There were no WMDs unless you call Scuds WMDs? 
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But.. but.. but! Saddam's SCUDs were capable of a range 1,800 meters greater than allowed for under the UN sanctions! He was CHEATING!!!!
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08-06-2012, 02:36 PM
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Shame on Powell, shame shame.
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08-06-2012, 03:04 PM
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Shame on Powell, shame shame.
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It's not clear whether Powell knew that the presentation he gave to the UN was bogus. It was bogus of, course, but did Powell know it was bogus? Perhaps he felt like he'd been set up. Perhaps that's why he endorsed Obama.
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