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[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If we'd like to go back to 1 tv and a 13-1500 sf ranch or bungalow unless you're making minimum wage your wife would not have to work, in most cases.

We have bigger houses fancier cars and much much more 'stuff' now.

Pete

Yeah. That's what it is.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Btw, year over year I'm up over 50%. Superman. I work on my own house and rebuilt my own car.

I have never told you what to do.

Pete

50% of what?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Your private sector experiences with unions really don't translate into the public sector IMHO. They are completely different animals. As strongly as I support union rights in the private sector, I oppose them in the public sector. They simply have no reason for being and do more harm than good.

FWIW, a lot of private sector union households in Wisconsin seemed to feel the same way in the recent recall election.

The reason for the public sector unions is that when all of these union laws concerning private enterprises were passed back in the earlier part of the 20th Century they automatically applied to government employees also. Now that the private sector is basically non-union these government unions are the last ones remaining and are an easy target. I agree some of the penison plans are outrageous but there has been an effort to stop that out here in California. On the other hand, I would rather have a well paid policeman or firefighter or teacher secure in their positions taking care of me than some underpaid and abused worker that can be fired at the drop of a hat. Who do you want coming to your aid when you really need something important?
Teachers are very important.
You can like private unions and distrust public ones I get that. But what is really happening is that the United States is becoming a place where only a government job is secure. We are becoming more like the developing world where the general populace distrusts public employees because they have all the decent jobs...I can understand the way you feel but I think it is sign of the decline in the economic power of the United States. Back in the 1980s and 1990s we would not even be thinking of these issues.
If the public unions go Finnbow there are really no unions left except for the car industry perhaps.
If you think I am off the mark about this just look at the benefits you get for joining the Army....try to find anything like that in the private sector now for an entry level position. The Army isn't union of course but is one of the better jobs now.

[piece-itpete]

Over last year in gross sales, and my margins are up too [edit: that means I'm screwing people more lol]

Ice, I suppose it's different in high cost areas, but think about your monthly bills now vs then. Not the dollar amount, but the actual number of bills. And we do have tons more stuff.

Heck look for a chart showing average SF of houses over the years. I don't have time right now but it's mind-boggling.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Over last year in gross sales, and my margins are up too [edit: that means I'm screwing people more lol]

Ice, I suppose it's different in high cost areas, but think about your monthly bills now vs then. Not the dollar amount, but the actual number of bills. And we do have tons more stuff.

Heck look for a chart showing average SF of houses over the years. I don't have time right now but it's mind-boggling.

Pete

Log off and get back to work, you slacker.

[piece-itpete]

Yes sir

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If we'd like to go back to 1 tv and a 13-1500 sf ranch or bungalow unless you're making minimum wage your wife would not have to work, in most cases.

We have bigger houses fancier cars and much much more 'stuff' now.

Pete

Florence was managing a 7000 sq ft dress shop when we met. Putting in a 100 or more hour week was not unusual. Shortly after we were marriied she asked me what I thought of the company she was working for. I said they work you too hard and don't pay overtime because you are management. I think you should tell them where to stick their job. She did, and only ever went temping for pocket money on our overseas trips. Labour laws? We ain't got no steenkin labour laws. That's why all the employes in that department were only too happy to say "Ciao Chao" when that Repub twit left.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Over last year in gross sales, and my margins are up too [edit: that means I'm screwing people more lol]

Ice, I suppose it's different in high cost areas, but think about your monthly bills now vs then. Not the dollar amount, but the actual number of bills. And we do have tons more stuff.

Heck look for a chart showing average SF of houses over the years. I don't have time right now but it's mind-boggling.

Pete

We may have Ipads...but I fear it will be much harder for our kids to buy single family homes like before....we will have to pass them down from generation to generation. I hope I am wrong Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Your private sector experiences with unions really don't translate into the public sector IMHO. They are completely different animals. As strongly as I support union rights in the private sector, I oppose them in the public sector. They simply have no reason for being and do more harm than good.

FWIW, a lot of private sector union households in Wisconsin seemed to feel the same way in the recent recall election.

I read it different Pat for what it's worth. Wisconsan's were plenty pissed at what they perceived as outside interference in their choice of governance. All of the bad press directed towards a nice level headed population was another sign of how corrosive big money has become in our elections. Wisconsans didn't deserve all that negative publicity and had there not been such a huge pile of advertising advocating retention of the Governor sent their way I have to believe they would have sent the Walker packing. He clearly overstepped but he is their duly elected officeholder. So they circled the wagons against both sides meddling in their affairs. That's how I see it.
Even if I'm just a underachieving construction puke it is clear to me. It's a sad state of affairs when our government is for sale to the highest bidder.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by bobabode

[/B]I read it different Pat for what it's worth. Wisconsan's were plenty pissed at what they perceived as outside interference in their choice of governance. All of the bad press directed towards a nice level headed population was another sign of how corrosive big money has become in our elections. Wisconsans didn't deserve all that negative publicity and had there not been such a huge pile of advertising advocating retention of the Governor sent their way I have to believe they would have sent the Walker packing. He clearly overstepped but he is their duly elected officeholder. So they circled the wagons against both sides meddling in their affairs. That's how I see it.
Even if I'm just a underachieving construction puke it is clear to me. It's a sad state of affairs when our government is for sale to the highest bidder.

According to exit interviews many people felt recall should be reserved for things more serious than merely being an asshole.