Getting Rid of Holder

[mezz]

Obama must be in deep with this Fast & Furious scandal because he would otherwise have already cut Holder loose to take whatever political gain he could from doing so before the whole scandal brings down his campaign.

Despite Obama's arrogance and general detachment from reality (in terms of recognizing his own growing unpopularity) his reasons for keeping Holder around right now cannot be simply that he thinks he's safe from this and wants Holder to carry on his work while believing that the upside of getting rid of him isn't worth the upside of keeping him around. No Obama and his people are well aware of the mess Holder has gotten himself into and of the risk of that causing some serious trouble for his re-election bid. So why keep him around... because knowledge about F&F goes all the way to the top. Obama figured he could blow this off like everything else and that Holder would be able to squeak by like he seems to have thus far in spite of his increasingly outragious behaviour on the part of an attorney general. No, Obama's deep in it this time and the admin knows they're in trouble. Their current strategy of stonewalling (through Holder) until the election is over isn't going to work. Obama has already invoked Executive Priviledge to keep Kevin ' O'Rielly from testifying because of course he can tie the president directly to F&F.

His hand may be forced soon. I'm sure he was hoping he could keep the lid on this thing until right before the election and then feigning shock and outrage, cut Holder loose with just enough time to get through the election without an F&F meltdown... but the returns on that gamble are diminshing quickly.

We'll see what type of squirming they do in the coming weeks... in the meantime even the liberal news media cannot ignore the downfall of the AG and people are going to start tuning in to a scandal and coverup which is ineed big enough to bring down a president.

[d-ray657]

I like keeping Holder around, just to piss off the wingnuts.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I like keeping Holder around, just to piss off the wingnuts.

Regards,

D-Ray

It is lots o' fun, isn't it?

Dave

[Boreas]

Where's your evidence for any of this? Just more right wing masturbation. Make sure you clean up your mess.

John

[finnbow]

I don't think Fast & Furious was really anything novel in the annals of Federal law enforcement. Stings, some bordering on entrapment, are common. The only difference is the Border Patrol fellow was killed, thereby giving the Right something to rally behind.

[piece-itpete]

So F&F wasn't a ploy to 'prove' those giant wealthy cartels in Mexico buy their automatics from Mom and Pops Happy Corner Gun Store in the evil triggerhappy US of A?

Squirm Holder

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So F&F wasn't a ploy to 'prove' those giant wealthy cartels in Mexico buy their automatics from Mom and Pops Happy Corner Gun Store in the evil triggerhappy US of A?

Squirm Holder

Pete

I suppose you'd need to ask Dubya and his AG at the time. It started under him.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...urious-tactics

[piece-itpete]

Yes indeedy, a very small project that didn't kill anyone.

Perhaps to show they don't, my take. They buy containers off the world weapons market.

Edit: ah, they were targeting a specific group.

Pete

[mezz]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Where's your evidence for any of this? Just more right wing masturbation. Make sure you clean up your mess.

John

There is a ton of evidence already despite the Dept of Justice holding back everything they thought would be really incriminating. Holder has been proved to be lying during testimony on some of the evidence he's provided already and now these wiretaps are showing what kind of evidence is likely being held back... evidence which exposes the extent of the cover-up here and not only shows Holder to be completely lying his ass off, but surely could expose the president as having given the ultimate order for the F&F gunwalking which resulted in this border agent being killed with weapons put in the hands of criminals by the US government.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I don't think Fast & Furious was really anything novel in the annals of Federal law enforcement. Stings, some bordering on entrapment, are common. The only difference is the Border Patrol fellow was killed, thereby giving the Right something to rally behind.

The cover-up being basically handled very clumsily and obviously through the attorney general has certainly made this worse. The degree to which they have been uncooperative serves to underscore this admins attitude towards due process and respect for their respective offices and the American public. Now they are deep into a sea of lies and the president doesn't come out looking good no matter which way this turns now. Continued stonewalling is really their only choice now, but more evidence (like the wiretaps) is going to start coming out now as people are becoming extremely fed up and this goes beyind politics. A smart and less aloof admin would have had Holder take the fall a year ago and try to get the buck to stop there in hopes that they might have been able to head off an investigation which got far beyond the AG. It would seem that they deemed containing this would be impossible as the links to the president couldn't be covered up simply by having Holder take the blame here.

Who knows what they are really thinking.. for the samrtest liberal to ever live, this Obama has himself leading a three ring circus of bumbling idiots who haven't even learned that telling the truth and taking your medicine early is surely the only way to go... unless you've been very, very, very bad... enough so that the consequences spell your end.

[d-ray657]

I see. The evidence is because Mezz says so. We don't need any legitimate sources.

Regards,

D-Ray