Castle Doctrine or Stand your ground

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Too bad Perry did not go ahead with secession.

+1


Carl

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Too bad Perry did not go ahead with secession.

He probably would have had he been able to spell it.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by barbara

I don't have any idea how, but I sure hope something is done somehow.
Everyone wants all these personal freedoms, to carry a gun, to stand ones' ground, and that would be all well and good if we could legislate common sense.
Freedom comes with responsibilities and consequences.

Originally Posted by noonereal

Many many more than if we did not have a crazy gun culture.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I don't know if all of you folks are familiar with the latest Stand Your Ground case in Texas. A guy walks over to a neighbor's house armed with a pistol, a flashlight and a video camera to complain about a loud party. He proceeds to shoot his neighbor dead while talking on the phone with 911 and videotaping, all the while saying "I fear for my life ... I'm standing my ground...." What a sad farce. Given that he's in Texas, he may well be acquitted from a murder charge for what was obviously premeditated murder.

http://news.yahoo.com/standing-groun...230600598.html

And, this is why I'm against it. It assumes that every gun owner is a reasonable and responsible person.

In my hometown in Ohio, we had a man shoot at two college students who were working for the Obama campaign in '08. They stepped out of their van, one went to the back of the van to get a sign and the other walked towards his house to ask him if they could put the sign in his yard. As the one kid crossed onto his property, the man stepped out onto the porch and shot him, then took a shot, but missed the other kid.

He tried to claim he felt threatened and entitled to protect his property under the Castle Law. IIRC, he was found guilty, but received a light sentence.

This sort of thing is insane, IMHO. As I see it, that guy is cold blooded murderer and should have received full penalty.

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I don't know if all of you folks are familiar with the latest Stand Your Ground case in Texas. A guy walks over to a neighbor's house armed with a pistol, a flashlight and a video camera to complain about a loud party. He proceeds to shoot his neighbor dead while talking on the phone with 911 and videotaping, all the while saying "I fear for my life ... I'm standing my ground...." What a sad farce. Given that he's in Texas, he may well be acquitted from a murder charge for what was obviously premeditated murder.

http://news.yahoo.com/standing-groun...230600598.html

This is the TX case I spoke of in the OP.

Then of course we have teh Fl Zimmerman case.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

And, this is why I'm against it. It assumes that every gun owner is a reasonable and responsible person.

In my hometown in Ohio, we had a man shoot at two college students who were working for the Obama campaign in '08. They stepped out of their van, one went to the back of the van to get a sign and the other walked towards his house to ask him if they could put the sign in his yard. As the one kid crossed onto his property, the man stepped out onto the porch and shot him, then took a shot, but missed the other kid.

He tried to claim he felt threatened and entitled to protect his property under the Castle Law. IIRC, he was found guilty, but received a light sentence.

This sort of thing is insane, IMHO. As I see it, that guy is cold blooded murderer and should have received full penalty.

Dave

This is the typical gun owner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku_Qz...ature=youtu.be

[wgrr]

What about this one.

Another Unarmed Black Youth Gunned Down, This Time 13-Year-Old Darius Simmons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1zd9PQWeEW4

http://www.blackyouthproject.com/201...-13-years-old/

The article above contained errors that were corrected. Darius was accused of stealing a shot gun and was shot and killed by a 9mm pistol.

A quote from another article proves Spooner committed premeditated murder.

"According to Milwaukee Alderman Bob Donovan, he had breakfast with Spooner an hour before the shooting and Spooner told him he suspected Darius of the crime and was upset that the police hadn’t done anything about it. Spooner then told the Alderman, that there were other ways of dealing with these problems. That qualifies as premeditated murder of a 13 year old boy. To make matters worse, the family only lived next to Spooner for a month."

The worst side note to the murder is the police conduct. They kept Darius' mother in the back of a squad car questioning here for two hours while here son was dying in the hospital. At the same the same time they searched the victims house. They also arrested Darius' big brother on outstanding truancy warrants and hauled him off to jail.

While they were harassing the Simmons they allowed the Spooner family members to enter his house and freely remove items. One I bet was the "stolen" shot gun that senile old man Spooner put up and then forgot were he put it.

[BlueStreak]

OMG. I just saw the video of the Texas incident on CNN. Yep, old boy is full of crap. He grabs a gun and his camera and walks over to a bunch of drunken rowdies, confronts them, shows them his weapon........(Again, at any point he could have just turned around and gone home.) Yes, that wouldn't stop the noise problem that led to the confrontation. But, walking away would surely have de-escalated it.

HE was in control of the situation. One guy seems to suggest he's going to get a weapon........... And why not? Didn't the man show up at the party waiving a gun? So, at that point, you go home. I mean WTF? He just stands there, saying, "Oh, my God, I'm afraid for my life. They're going to kill me.", when it is readily apparent that no one is restraining or detaining him? WAITING FOR THE OTHER GUY TO RETURN WITH HIS GUN.

This is absurd, it truly is.

Dave

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by noonereal

This is the typical gun owner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku_Qz...ature=youtu.be

Do you really think so?

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

OMG. I just saw the video of the Texas incident on CNN. Yep, old boy is full of crap. He grabs a gun and his camera and walks over to a bunch of drunken rowdies, confronts them, shows them his weapon........(Again, at any point he could have just turned around and gone home.) Yes, that wouldn't stop the noise problem that led to the confrontation. But, walking away would surely have de-escalated it.

HE was in control of the situation. One guy seems to suggest he's going to get a weapon........... And why not? Didn't the man show up at the party waiving a gun? So, at that point, you go home. I mean WTF? He just stands there, saying, "Oh, my God, I'm afraid for my life. They're going to kill me.", when it is readily apparent that no one is restraining or detaining him? WAITING FOR THE OTHER GUY TO RETURN WITH HIS GUN.

This is absurd, it truly is

Dave

Lets hope the courts deal with him in the strongest manner allowed by law.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Do you really think so?

I don't think so. Not "typical" anyhow. But, I do know some like that---and worse.