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#51
11-15-2009, 11:02 AM
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#52
11-15-2009, 11:10 AM
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So many different view points are either the truth or biased propaganda. The difference being whether or not the person doing the viewing has been persuaded by the opinion being put forward. Many different points of view are put forward by lobbyist hired by specific interest groups to protect what is valuable to them, whether that is a moral issue or more likely than not a monetary issue.
Someone who has a lot of money more than likely wants to find a way to preserve it and make more. The question is "what is a lot of money?". If the recession has a silver lining, it is that it really exposes what has value and how that can change at anytime with no one person having control over that. Homes in many areas are worth half to a quarter what they were a few years ago. Gold and silver are worth significantly more. Stocks in some companies are worthless while others are worth much more. When the price of oil and consequently gas went to $4.00 plus a gallon homes that were in nice rural areas became almost worthless. Many people that used to work in cities and drive to where they could afford a decent home had to walk away from their homes because they couldn't afford to drive back and forth. SUV's values plumetted and suddenly many people found that they couldn't afford the gas and they couldn't afford to sell the vehicle. Health care is another issue that many disagree on based on how much money the have or where that money is derived from. Those that make their money from insurance are mad as hell that the government may compete or even try to regulate the industry. The insurance industry is pretty much the same as the casino's in Las Vegas. Some may argue that it is the right of those that develop medicines to charge what they want for their product. So why are drugs so much cheaper in other parts of the world. I can't help but ask though "what is more important than the right of every citizen to decent health care without the thought of losing everything you ever worked for?". How many people have died because they either couldn't obtain health insurance because of a pre-existing condition or who they work for or who they don't work for? There are arguments on this issue that are numerous and many may say that these advances in medicine would not have been made without the financial incentives that our current system provided. How many advances in medicines would have been made by those that lost their lives prematurely because of a lack of health care? Another thought is how can some be so adamantly defend medicare and social security and be so opposed to someone else having the right to basic healthcare? I know there are many topics that have different view points but healthcare should not be something where profit is put ahead of the public good. All these challenges are a product of capitalism. Many will say that giving a hand out from the government will not solve anything, only make people dependent and unmotivated. If you look at the social programs such as social security and medicare is that what has happened? Capitalism provides the best opportunities in the world and allows hardwork and inteligence to be rewarded. It is the best system in my opinion. That doesn't mean that there can't be some essential government services to protect public health and safety. Most here seem to be very intelligent and have taken advantage of opportunities they have had. Opportunities that we receive through the influence of chance circumstances are the same as inheriting a fortune. We are no more "entitled" to this than the person who inherited a fortune. We should all feel a debt of gratitude that we could never payback and try to help others.
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#53
11-15-2009, 01:29 PM
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#54
11-15-2009, 06:47 PM
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As far as whether hard work is necessary for success, I guess that depends on your definition of hard work. Hard work alone does not guarantee success, but any one I've ever known that maintained wealth for any period of time spent great amounts of time doing so.
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#55
11-15-2009, 07:02 PM
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I do agree that the definition of hard work is important. Personally when I have made a very good living I hardly considered it work at all yet I put in many hours. The biggest single deal I have ever done I did from the beach when cell phones were in their infancy. Didn't miss a ray. My observations are that the most important ingredient to success is who you know. Second is "right time right place" and a distant third is hard work. But of course we all have different experiences.
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#56
11-15-2009, 08:09 PM
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Many people do work hard and don't get the rewards that others do. Don't you find the people that work hard and don't get the success you have had are those that work for someone else? Isn't one of the main benefits of capitalism the ability and right to own your own business? I believe that with the right information anyone can enjoy success. All people can be successful and that it is not a requirement for one person to not be successful so that someone else can. Glad you have been able to enjoy your chosen profession. It is always easier to be successful when you enjoy what you do. I too have had the opportunity in my life to be exposed to many positive influences and have a career that I enjoyed and found to be very rewarding. 
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#57
11-15-2009, 08:11 PM
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It's been a rough session. I do have a life beyond here....and it may put me into rehab. Although I don't think anyone is up for a replay for the time being. Were we arguing about something? Chas
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#58
11-15-2009, 08:24 PM
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An excellent first post, and I agree with you 100%. Personally, I'm most impressed with your first shot from a cold barrel. You've stated your position plainly, and done so in a way which should offend no one. If you can maintain you composure through the upcoming brickbats that you will be dealt, you will be a welcome addition indeed. Chas
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#59
11-15-2009, 08:39 PM
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More fresh meat!!!!!! A well thought out and reasoned response. Thank you. Now Noon: Isn't sitting on your ass on the beach and making you're biggest score by simply fielding a phone call (I know what it takes to get the phone call in the 1st place) the type of behavior that you dislike about the American way of capitalism? Apparently you didn't make the widget, you didn't truck it form point A to B, you simply made your cut from talking the good game. Are you actually worth more than the poor bums who did the hard work? Just a passing thought, Chas
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#60
11-15-2009, 09:22 PM
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Welcome Centralflori!
I am already enjoying you're posts. Seem to be a level headed individual. Much more so than I, at any rate. Dave
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