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Originally Posted by finnbow
Just take the loss graciously. Jeez. 
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Whell is not able to do that. Very seldom does anyone on the Internet do that. The idea that discourse can lead to some sort of victory/loss recognized by one's debate opponent is a delusion. There are always ways for them to evade doing any such thing, no matter how excellent one's arguments, and they will always do so.
If you want a win, you need a structure where someone else can be judge of the thing and award it to you.