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Old 08-20-2010, 08:53 AM
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For the sake of discussion, let's just suppose that a particular media company is acting as a proxy for a political party in creating a wedge issue that is, on its face, unconstitutional. Shouldn't they be called out as bigoted, underhanded SOB's who are willing to shred the constitution for their own political benefit?
I'm getting weary of the overt and oblique references to Fox news. I've already posted how both parties benefit financially from media contributions. I don't necessarily buy the "media is biased" crap from either the left of the right, in the various forms that the arguments present themselves. Let's move along.

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As for Hamas, didn't we (the Bush administration) openly support the election that put Hamas into power in Gaza?
Yup. Would it have been preferable for the US to control both the electoral process and the outcome of the election?

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As to your question, Saudi Arabia is an ally in our fight against Al Qaeda (believe it or not). Hell, Dubya even pranced around hand-in-hand with its leader like a smitten schoolboy. And if Saudi is willing to fund a cultural center with the goal of improved relations between the Muslim world and the US, what of it?

As for the "in your face"gesture, isn't the Imam who is responsible for the cultural center plans the same fellow who travelled the Middle East at the behest of Dubya preaching a message of moderation to the Muslim world?

In the words of "My Cousin Vinny," your argument does not hold water.
We've been kissing but in the Middle East for 50 years. Its become our default foreign policy from one administration to the next. As to whether Saudi Arabia is a true ally, I'd suggest that our policy is that we'd like them to be (as evidenced not only by your gratuitous "smitten schoolboy" comment, but also by President Obama's bowing). In contrast, the Saudi's policy appears to make them our ally when it suits them. You may not agree with the points in the post below, but I suspect they paint the picture pretty well.

http://www.danielpipes.org/995/the-s...audi-relations
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