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Originally Posted by 142EBC
Honest point here... I'd like to hear both sides in a civil, open minded manner.
We need to protect ourselves from terrorists. Although I don't want my private life made public, I have nothing to hide. Also, out of all the possible phone records that could have been illegally collected, 2000 doesn't seem like that many, in light of an inexact science such as intel gathering. How many of those 2000 records were used to do anything illegal or unethical to the individual to which they belonged?
What alternative is available to find terrorists other than covert surveillance? As has been said so many times, Freedom isn't Free; that doesn't just apply to those who have paid in war, but also to those enjoying peace at home. There is a price we all need to pay to maintain our liberty.
Alternatives?
Mike
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Hi Mike, welcome aboard.
Well I would say that I really don't care who listens to my phone calls because there is nothing in them out of the ordinary. That said as an immigrant (legal) I swore to honour and defend the Constitution, and that documents says that we are a nation of laws. The FBI already had a method of obtaining all the legal paper needed to tap my phone or yours. Why did they break the very laws they are supposed to enforce?
I have responded, rather vehemently I will admit, to "Freedom isn't Free" and I will more calmly suggest to you that Iraq was no threat to your freedom or mine, that is a rather large smelly red herring. To elevate a gang of thugs and murderers by declaring war on them is counter-productive. This means that our troops must follow the "Rules of war" as defined in many of our own documents.
Picture this; our soldiers are burdened with a 150 pound pack against others in loose robes out there in 120 degree heat. Much better to use aircraft and large bombs. Oh but innocent people . . . Do you ever stop to think about innocent cockroaches when you call in the exterminator? Hard hearted? No simply practical, spilling the blood of our young men and women when there is a cleaner alternative is simply wrong.