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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
John, I'm not saying don't try. I love the outdoors and recognise our responsibility.
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"Love the outdoors"? Man, talk about trivializing an existential crisis!
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But once again, Kyoto didn't do one darn thing except make people feel better. Perhaps we should be trying something else.
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Kyoto didn't do all it could have but it accomplished more than just making us feel all warm and fuzzy. Kyoto established that there was an international consensus regarding the reality of global climate degradation and the necessity to act. That's really ground-breaking and essential before effective remediative measures can be undertaken on a sufficiently large scale.
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And yes, in effect it's hopeless. It took humanity its' entire selfish output all these years to effect it, if indeed we are responsible for what is currently suspected (speaking directly to the current issue at hand). So a couple of (shown useless) treaties, and all will be right? Humanity as a whole is too thick. [edit: yes, we really are immature! We agree on something  ]
Pete
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It's only hopeless if we believe it to be - or if the people with a monetary stake in the status quo convince us that it is. We haven't been degrading our environment for as long as you seem to think. That didn't really begin to happen until our population numbers and our technological sophistication allowed it. That would put it about 150 years ago. We still may have time. Whether we do or not won't be known until we try - and we
have to try!
John